Comments on: Rav Sternbuch Shlita on Hidabrut Organization

By: apushatayid

apushatayid — Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:44:38 +0000

Did anyone hear the Rav say what is claimed in his name? This report is based on pashkevilim, hardly a reliable source of anything except for the opinion of the one behind the poster.I don’t believe for a second the Rav said what is claimed in his name.

By: Kolemes

Kolemes — Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:47:24 +0000

The Raavad shlita has a long history of kiruv work dating back to his time in South Africa – he knows what he is talking about

By: Bsimcha Tamid

Bsimcha Tamid — Mon, 27 Feb 2012 06:55:05 +0000

well al i know is the telemarketing i get almost every week stating from hrh”g r’ chaim kanyevsky tthat whoever supports hidobrut will have good kids (if i remember correctly,,,,,,)

By: mdd

mdd — Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:33:03 +0000

Gadolhadora, sometimes one has to call a spade a spade — I mean the comment about the army.

By: Daniel Q Blog

Daniel Q Blog — Mon, 27 Feb 2012 04:15:46 +0000

Though I am not stating my personal opinion on the issue itself, let us have some common decency. With most things in the Eidah, their press is poor because they are against having a PR department, but let’s not forgot they are also a part of Klal Yisrael and their leaders are also leaders of the Torah world. The whole kiruv discussion is a disagreement amongst different Gedolim. It is quite complex and should not be overly simplified by one’s “side.” As the Kotzker Rebbe once put, one uses a broom to clean up the house, but the broom ends up being the dirties thing in the house. So to with Kiruv, one has to be careful to draw lines and seek advice from Daas Torah or else the one who does the Kiruv needs it himself. Daas Torah though is not one shitah like with any other type of halachic disagreement. A Gadol openly disagreeing is not undoing a derech of the Torah, rather affirming its own derech. Again, its not a matter of agreement or which Gadol is right. It is a matter common decency. As mentioned, the irony of people’s tones is unfortunate.

DQB

By: rabbiofberlin

rabbiofberlin — Mon, 27 Feb 2012 03:54:06 +0000

Well, i must say that i agree with OlLeOlam- i know R’moshe swell and although i totally disagree with this particular opinion-relying upon many other Gedolim- it is still appropriate to address him with derech eretz.

By: Gadolhadorah

Gadolhadorah — Mon, 27 Feb 2012 03:53:05 +0000

To No. 12.

The comment had nothing to do with “disagreement” with other rabbonim. Read the article. There is no reason for any Rav, whatever his holding on the Hidabrut efforts related to Kiruv to denigrate the women of the IDF and refer to them as “prutzos”. If this is anyone’s idea of good midos and derech eretz, you subscribe to a hashkafoh that is alien to any notion of Yiddiskeit. One could have said he disagrees with Hidabrut’s strategy without such inappropriate language. I find no “irony” in this view.

By: OrLeOlam

OrLeOlam — Mon, 27 Feb 2012 03:02:19 +0000

Ironic how Hadolhatorah attacks a Gadol Batorah. You can say, “I hold with the other rabbonim who disagree with Rav Shternbuch. But how do you live with yourself after publicly saying that he lacks midos and derech eretz? The irony escapes you?

By: Gadolhadorah

Gadolhadorah — Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:03:43 +0000

The Rav’s comments seem totally inappropriate. The Hidabrut organization has support from many of the most chashuve rabbonim in Eretz Yisroel and does outstanding work. For a Rav or ANYONE for that matter at this point in time to refer to the brave young women of the IDF as “prutzos” itself shows a lack of midos and derech eretz. We can express disagreement with an organization and how it pursues its worthy objectives, but there is no need to resort to namecalling and insults. This kind of sinas chinam does nothing to bring us closer to z’man moisiach.

By: anIsraeliYid

anIsraeliYid — Mon, 27 Feb 2012 00:28:16 +0000

Chazal say that there are “shivim panim laTorah”. Does the Eida not recognize the other 69?

I’m assuming, of course, that their Derech is, in fact, one of the 70.

an Israeli Yid