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	<title>Comments on: Eichler &amp; Abutbul Ousted From Knesset Session For &#8216;Unacceptable Behavior&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Milhouse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Milhouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 23:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How is it unacceptable to call female chazanot &quot;heretics&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it unacceptable to call female chazanot &#8220;heretics&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Loyal Jew</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Loyal Jew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 07:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gadolhadorah, first, the name is Rabbi Eichler. Second, if this member of Kenesset really ils shomer negia, she should also learn the din of serara and not be in the Kenesset. Third, giving an opinion in the media on &quot;public policy issues&quot; may also be serara and is untznius for females. Fourth, Mayor Abutbul (not &quot;Abutal&quot;) was elected to look after the interests of frum Yidden, including the machmirim.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gadolhadorah, first, the name is Rabbi Eichler. Second, if this member of Kenesset really ils shomer negia, she should also learn the din of serara and not be in the Kenesset. Third, giving an opinion in the media on &#8220;public policy issues&#8221; may also be serara and is untznius for females. Fourth, Mayor Abutbul (not &#8220;Abutal&#8221;) was elected to look after the interests of frum Yidden, including the machmirim.</p>
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		<title>By: Gadolhadorah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gadolhadorah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 02:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eichler has consistently shown himself to be lacking in derech eretz to those with whom he disagrees and this is not the first time he had to be expelled from the Kenesset meetings.  Similarly, Abutal has failed to address consistent issues of Chareidi abuse in Beis Shemesh and also has issues with respectful dialogue. More important than the issue of of this radio station failing to follow the law is the growing trend to rationalize the degradation and devaluation of women in the name of daas torah.  The notion that a radio station&#039;s listeners don&#039;t believe a woman&#039;s opinions on public policy issues are beond absurd.  No responsible Rav has ever paskind that it is assur to listen to a woman &quot;talk&quot;.  We are not talking any issue of kok isha.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eichler has consistently shown himself to be lacking in derech eretz to those with whom he disagrees and this is not the first time he had to be expelled from the Kenesset meetings.  Similarly, Abutal has failed to address consistent issues of Chareidi abuse in Beis Shemesh and also has issues with respectful dialogue. More important than the issue of of this radio station failing to follow the law is the growing trend to rationalize the degradation and devaluation of women in the name of daas torah.  The notion that a radio station&#8217;s listeners don&#8217;t believe a woman&#8217;s opinions on public policy issues are beond absurd.  No responsible Rav has ever paskind that it is assur to listen to a woman &#8220;talk&#8221;.  We are not talking any issue of kok isha.</p>
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		<title>By: OrLeOlam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OrLeOlam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 02:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[reality reality reality reality]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reality reality reality reality</p>
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		<title>By: popa_bar_abba</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[popa_bar_abba]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Move to America. We have freedom of religion here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Move to America. We have freedom of religion here.</p>
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		<title>By: mdd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mdd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 21:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An Israeli Yid, if some peope want to have chumros for themselves, Chotoveli should not be stoping them, especially, in such an aggressive manner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An Israeli Yid, if some peope want to have chumros for themselves, Chotoveli should not be stoping them, especially, in such an aggressive manner.</p>
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		<title>By: koachshtika</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[koachshtika]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stories like this are depressing from both sides]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stories like this are depressing from both sides</p>
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		<title>By: zionflag</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zionflag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Women are over 50% of society and have much to add in the field of education, medicine, yahadus, etc.... don&#039;t ignore or void them from participation according to mesoras yisroel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Women are over 50% of society and have much to add in the field of education, medicine, yahadus, etc&#8230;. don&#8217;t ignore or void them from participation according to mesoras yisroel.</p>
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		<title>By: anIsraeliYid</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anIsraeliYid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[deepthinker - Tzipi Chotovely is far from a &quot;secularist&quot;.  She made news when first elected for refusing to join a group shot with Netanyahu and other victorious Likud MKs, as the shot involved raised joined hands, and she is Shhomeret Negia.  She was interviewed about it, and made quite a Kidush Hashem.  This is a disagreement between those who want to adope more stringent rules than Halacha demands - and impose such views on others - and those who do not believe in forcing others to follow every possible Chumra.  

The issue at hand, regarding radio stations, is not as clear-cut as some others, but calling someone who is Shomer Torah u&#039;Mitzvos a &quot;secularist&quot; because you disagree with her is likely Motzi Shem Ra.

an Israeli Yid]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deepthinker &#8211; Tzipi Chotovely is far from a &#8220;secularist&#8221;.  She made news when first elected for refusing to join a group shot with Netanyahu and other victorious Likud MKs, as the shot involved raised joined hands, and she is Shhomeret Negia.  She was interviewed about it, and made quite a Kidush Hashem.  This is a disagreement between those who want to adope more stringent rules than Halacha demands &#8211; and impose such views on others &#8211; and those who do not believe in forcing others to follow every possible Chumra.  </p>
<p>The issue at hand, regarding radio stations, is not as clear-cut as some others, but calling someone who is Shomer Torah u&#8217;Mitzvos a &#8220;secularist&#8221; because you disagree with her is likely Motzi Shem Ra.</p>
<p>an Israeli Yid</p>
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		<title>By: deepthinker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[deepthinker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The secularists are determined to cram their secular religion down our throats, whether we like it or not.

That is why the IDF insists on having women sing at soldiers&#039; gatherings. This is SHMAD, in the manner of the Greeks in the time of Antiochus, forcing the Jewish People to abandon their Torah standards and, instead, adopt the standards of the gentiles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The secularists are determined to cram their secular religion down our throats, whether we like it or not.</p>
<p>That is why the IDF insists on having women sing at soldiers&#8217; gatherings. This is SHMAD, in the manner of the Greeks in the time of Antiochus, forcing the Jewish People to abandon their Torah standards and, instead, adopt the standards of the gentiles.</p>
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