Comments on: Agudah Of Ave L Makes Rules About Alcohol By Simchas Following Incidents With 2 Underaged Drinkers

By: Canadian Guy

Canadian Guy — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 02:27:40 +0000

I feel this generation can’t handle large gatherings. You can’t really talk during davening or drink too much if the crowd is kept small… The cure for social ills may be architectural!

By: OrLeOlam

OrLeOlam — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 02:04:59 +0000

didn’t go far enough… sholom zochor rules should be applied to kiddushim too, and some variation to all simchos

By: WIY

WIY — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 01:02:05 +0000

If the baal habatim wouldn’t drink like fish at simchas (and at home)the kids wouldn’t have where to see this conduct to learn it from. Almost every Shabbos Kurdish I attend there are “adults” that had one too many.

By: Yanky55

Yanky55 — Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:56:52 +0000

FYI, Eric, many teens have stated unequivically that their “careers” as alcoholics began at a shul kiddush or other simcha. Perhaps you believe that being an alcoholic is simply dangerous rhetoric?

By: shuali

shuali — Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:56:08 +0000

Where are the parents? All we ever read about is why the Yeshivos aren’t doing/saying anything. And even though Torah Temima, Yeshivas Rabbeinu Chaim Berlin, and many others have done much to address this and many other concerns in our community – special education, economic and family crisis, shiduchim, and more, we still hear about “sweeping under the carpet.” Where are the parents? Where are the parents? The boys that are wondering the streets are not in Yeshiva with their Rebbeim, at seder with their friends, or at home with their parents. They have issues and we should deal with them not pass the blame and responsibility on others.

By: yaakov doe

yaakov doe — Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:51:20 +0000

eric55- While I’m aware of quite a few deaths resulting from drug overdoses, I am not aware of any deaths, just hospitalizations. The fact that Hatzoloh volunteers must take time off from their families for calls resulting from heavy drinking is reason enough to put an end to it. There are enough ambulance runs for reasons that are not as preventable as too much drinking.

I am all for responsible drinking at simchas for those of legal age.

By: yungerman1

yungerman1 — Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:49:06 +0000

eric55- Are you suggesting that the Agudah not insituite these rules, or should they transplant the shul to Lakewood and then talk about reflectors?

There arent too many deaths in any community that come “solely” from alcohol, but that doesnt change the danger of it.

By: manishma

manishma — Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:36:31 +0000

Eric are you drunk or stam a tipesh?
Speak to any Hatzolah member on what they see. What about the health hazards this creates?
With your logic what’s wrong with smoking? How many people died because they smoked one day. THINK (if you know how to do that) of the overall picture.

By: eric55

eric55 — Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:09:56 +0000

i challenge anyone to give one case of an alcohol death in the frum community in the last 40 years one that came from solely drinking to much, the fact is people are brought to the hospital but stop the rhetoric how dangerous it is. walking in lakewood at night without a reflector is 1000 times more dangerous than ODing on alcohol

By: Bubby B

Bubby B — Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:46:24 +0000

I highly commend the position & measures you have taken.
It’s refreshing to see a shul, doing rather than just lamenting and or screaming about the problems/failures of our society. Moreover its very praiseworthy that you’ve taken and promoted action in such an important area. I had been appalled some time ago, overhearing mature mothers praising a young man’s speech, and attributing his self-confidence to having a drink or two. Parents and Adults in general taking such a stance is destroying our youth. We should all salute this Kehillah and their Rov – who I’m sure must be with them on this.