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		<title>By: shmoolik 1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shmoolik 1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[from the hotel site
 http://hotel.lavi.co.il/HOTEL/101/2/781.aspx

בס&quot;ד

, אייר תשע&quot;ב May 2012

Welcome to the Kibbutz Lavi Hotel!

It is our pleasure to host you. Our hotel is noted for its very strict high-level Kashruth which is supervised by Rabbi Joseph Chaim Rosenblatt, Rabbi of the Lower Galilee. Details follow.
INFORMATION CONCERNING THE OBSERVANCE OF KASHRUT

IN LAVI KIBBUTZ HOTEL

1.    We have an exclusively Jewish kitchen staff, which consists mainly of observant, G-D fearing “Shomer Shabbat” Jews.

2.    All the products and ingredients, with the exception of poultry, meat, and dairy products, have one of three hechshers: Eda Charedit, Rabbi Rubin, Rabbi Landau.

3.    All leafy vegetables are insect-free products with Eda Charedit / Rubin Hechsher. They undergo an additional inspection and washing, according to Badatz instructions.

4.    All dairy products are under Mehadrin supervision, including that of the Mehadrin committee of Tnuva led by Rabbi Witman. (Some of the products are made locally with the above Mehadrin hechsher.)

5.    Bread and rolls are supplied by bakeries under the supervision of Badatz Eda Charedit, Rav Rubin &amp; Rav Landau.

6.    Products baked in our own kitchen - Flour is sifted by a machine which meets the standards of the most meticulous kashrut requirements and challa is set aside as required.

7.We have a special mashgiach on the premises to supervise the meticulous inspection of all products entering the kitchen – including legumes, nuts and all whole condiments. 

8.    The meat served in the Hotel is imported with Chalak Mehadrin hechsher of the Chief Rabbinate, in accordance with the severe restrictions of Maran Bet Yoseph.

Poultry products are from the “Off Tov” abbatoir, under the complete supervision of Rabbi A.D. Auerbach of Tiberias / Fleish Mehadrin confirmed by the Hotel Rabbis.

9  .One may order in advance meat and poultry products with a special hechsher – one of three  (Eda Charedit,  Rav Landa, or Rav Rubin) to be determined by the hotel in accordance with availability. These products are prepared in a special area of the kitchen with ovens and all kitchen utensils set aside and marked for use exclusively with the above hechshers. 

10.       It is not permitted to bring food or beverages from outside the hotel to the hotel restaurant &amp; the bar area .

11.  Any questions should be directed to the Hotel Mashgiach, Yakov Chayun, tel. 050-3231174]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from the hotel site<br />
 <a href="http://hotel.lavi.co.il/HOTEL/101/2/781.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://hotel.lavi.co.il/HOTEL/101/2/781.aspx</a></p>
<p>בס&#8221;ד</p>
<p>, אייר תשע&#8221;ב May 2012</p>
<p>Welcome to the Kibbutz Lavi Hotel!</p>
<p>It is our pleasure to host you. Our hotel is noted for its very strict high-level Kashruth which is supervised by Rabbi Joseph Chaim Rosenblatt, Rabbi of the Lower Galilee. Details follow.<br />
INFORMATION CONCERNING THE OBSERVANCE OF KASHRUT</p>
<p>IN LAVI KIBBUTZ HOTEL</p>
<p>1.    We have an exclusively Jewish kitchen staff, which consists mainly of observant, G-D fearing “Shomer Shabbat” Jews.</p>
<p>2.    All the products and ingredients, with the exception of poultry, meat, and dairy products, have one of three hechshers: Eda Charedit, Rabbi Rubin, Rabbi Landau.</p>
<p>3.    All leafy vegetables are insect-free products with Eda Charedit / Rubin Hechsher. They undergo an additional inspection and washing, according to Badatz instructions.</p>
<p>4.    All dairy products are under Mehadrin supervision, including that of the Mehadrin committee of Tnuva led by Rabbi Witman. (Some of the products are made locally with the above Mehadrin hechsher.)</p>
<p>5.    Bread and rolls are supplied by bakeries under the supervision of Badatz Eda Charedit, Rav Rubin &amp; Rav Landau.</p>
<p>6.    Products baked in our own kitchen &#8211; Flour is sifted by a machine which meets the standards of the most meticulous kashrut requirements and challa is set aside as required.</p>
<p>7.We have a special mashgiach on the premises to supervise the meticulous inspection of all products entering the kitchen – including legumes, nuts and all whole condiments. </p>
<p>8.    The meat served in the Hotel is imported with Chalak Mehadrin hechsher of the Chief Rabbinate, in accordance with the severe restrictions of Maran Bet Yoseph.</p>
<p>Poultry products are from the “Off Tov” abbatoir, under the complete supervision of Rabbi A.D. Auerbach of Tiberias / Fleish Mehadrin confirmed by the Hotel Rabbis.</p>
<p>9  .One may order in advance meat and poultry products with a special hechsher – one of three  (Eda Charedit,  Rav Landa, or Rav Rubin) to be determined by the hotel in accordance with availability. These products are prepared in a special area of the kitchen with ovens and all kitchen utensils set aside and marked for use exclusively with the above hechshers. </p>
<p>10.       It is not permitted to bring food or beverages from outside the hotel to the hotel restaurant &amp; the bar area .</p>
<p>11.  Any questions should be directed to the Hotel Mashgiach, Yakov Chayun, tel. 050-3231174</p>
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		<title>By: ramateshkolnik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ramateshkolnik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 12:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I simply do not understand the vast majority of the above made comments.

If the FAA would remove their certification from an airline, would you still fly it? Would you say it is &quot;politics&quot;/&quot;money&quot;/&quot;phone the airline and rely on them&quot;/&quot;a frum airline&quot; ?

Have any of you spoken to the Rabbonim involved?

Perhaps do some research before you post.

I have spoken to the Rabbonim, and would advise anyone who needs to know to speak to them; they are working in tandem on this issue, which has many wider complexities involved.

I would also add that the concerns in any Hotel kitchen are immense, (Shmiras Shabbos amoungst them), and without a clear agreement between the Rabbanim and the hotel staff, I do not understand how anyone can blithly say &quot;politics etc.&quot; I have clearly seen in the past Chilul Shabbos happening in a (different) hotel, and when I spoke to the mashgiach there, found that he was a) unaware and b) ignorant of the Halocho!

The bottom line is; DON&#039;T BE A FOOL! Kashrus is complex and easy to get wrong, there is no excuse on vacation!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I simply do not understand the vast majority of the above made comments.</p>
<p>If the FAA would remove their certification from an airline, would you still fly it? Would you say it is &#8220;politics&#8221;/&#8221;money&#8221;/&#8221;phone the airline and rely on them&#8221;/&#8221;a frum airline&#8221; ?</p>
<p>Have any of you spoken to the Rabbonim involved?</p>
<p>Perhaps do some research before you post.</p>
<p>I have spoken to the Rabbonim, and would advise anyone who needs to know to speak to them; they are working in tandem on this issue, which has many wider complexities involved.</p>
<p>I would also add that the concerns in any Hotel kitchen are immense, (Shmiras Shabbos amoungst them), and without a clear agreement between the Rabbanim and the hotel staff, I do not understand how anyone can blithly say &#8220;politics etc.&#8221; I have clearly seen in the past Chilul Shabbos happening in a (different) hotel, and when I spoke to the mashgiach there, found that he was a) unaware and b) ignorant of the Halocho!</p>
<p>The bottom line is; DON&#8217;T BE A FOOL! Kashrus is complex and easy to get wrong, there is no excuse on vacation!</p>
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		<title>By: RamatShilo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RamatShilo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 17:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i do not understand why yeshiva world published this article... for what reason??? the hechsher left and farshmutzed lavi... kosher politics at its best... Lavi is mehadrin, its a frum hotel on a frum kibbutz...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i do not understand why yeshiva world published this article&#8230; for what reason??? the hechsher left and farshmutzed lavi&#8230; kosher politics at its best&#8230; Lavi is mehadrin, its a frum hotel on a frum kibbutz&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AinOhdMilvado</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AinOhdMilvado]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 17:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately this happens frequently both in Israel AND in the U.S.

For any of a variety of reasons a certain hashgacha will pull out, and another one (that may have ALREADY been there too) comes in, or remains in.

People should NOT be choshaid b&#039;KASHAIRIM (pun INTENDED).

Certainly people SHOULD be careful and SHOULD check things out, but should NOT jump to conclusions and say lashon harah like the above commenter who said &quot;(Lavi)seems not to take kashrut seriously as do many non- or not very- religious places&quot;.  
What terrible motzei shaim ra.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately this happens frequently both in Israel AND in the U.S.</p>
<p>For any of a variety of reasons a certain hashgacha will pull out, and another one (that may have ALREADY been there too) comes in, or remains in.</p>
<p>People should NOT be choshaid b&#8217;KASHAIRIM (pun INTENDED).</p>
<p>Certainly people SHOULD be careful and SHOULD check things out, but should NOT jump to conclusions and say lashon harah like the above commenter who said &#8220;(Lavi)seems not to take kashrut seriously as do many non- or not very- religious places&#8221;.<br />
What terrible motzei shaim ra.</p>
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		<title>By: jdb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jdb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 11:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know the particulars here.  In EY it is common for many establishments to have multiple hashgachos.  In this situation it looks like one Rav is pulling his hashgacha, while another is keeping their certification active.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know the particulars here.  In EY it is common for many establishments to have multiple hashgachos.  In this situation it looks like one Rav is pulling his hashgacha, while another is keeping their certification active.</p>
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		<title>By: chilled</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chilled]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 10:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[its a bunch of shtus. just someone trying to make his hechsher sound more machmir and make it more well known so that he will get more business.
this is how the hecshairim work in israel . its all a game of money]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its a bunch of shtus. just someone trying to make his hechsher sound more machmir and make it more well known so that he will get more business.<br />
this is how the hecshairim work in israel . its all a game of money</p>
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		<title>By: Moose613</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moose613]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 10:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like a jruisdictional (money) with Lavi stuck in the cross fire.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a jruisdictional (money) with Lavi stuck in the cross fire.</p>
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		<title>By: UKbloke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UKbloke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 08:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This doesn&#039;t make sense. It smells like a Rabbi from a different area is being annoying and whipping up a scandal. Further, it&#039;s sloppy journalism, mixinng up &quot;no supervision&quot; and &quot;one rabbi, who is from a different region and not from a national kashrus organisation, removed his possibly invalid in the first place supervision&quot;.

There are typos, such as &quot;Person close to the rav are&quot; - Is this one person, or several people. Who are they? What are the vague issues that have been alluded to?

I suggest this article is removed as it doesn&#039;t say anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This doesn&#8217;t make sense. It smells like a Rabbi from a different area is being annoying and whipping up a scandal. Further, it&#8217;s sloppy journalism, mixinng up &#8220;no supervision&#8221; and &#8220;one rabbi, who is from a different region and not from a national kashrus organisation, removed his possibly invalid in the first place supervision&#8221;.</p>
<p>There are typos, such as &#8220;Person close to the rav are&#8221; &#8211; Is this one person, or several people. Who are they? What are the vague issues that have been alluded to?</p>
<p>I suggest this article is removed as it doesn&#8217;t say anything.</p>
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		<title>By: YehudaJ1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[YehudaJ1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 06:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a travel agent in Israel and I know all the staff (from the manager to the front desk staff) and they are definately trustworthy people. I spoke to them regarding the below and I will not write their response out of respect to both parties however all details of their Kashrut stay exactly as they were before (they are officically - with certification - under the Rabbanut of the Lower Galilee - Rabbi Rosenblatt, Rav Herzl&#039;s son in law!!) - the hotel staff and mashgiach are happy to speak to anybody personally should the traveller need to verify or need reassurance regarding the level of kashrut (04 679 9450) the hotel manager Yitzchak Flanzer - an observant jew - is also available at any time.
P.S. They do not have any arabs as part of their kitchen staff so I don&#039;t think any issues come up with bishul Akum]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a travel agent in Israel and I know all the staff (from the manager to the front desk staff) and they are definately trustworthy people. I spoke to them regarding the below and I will not write their response out of respect to both parties however all details of their Kashrut stay exactly as they were before (they are officically &#8211; with certification &#8211; under the Rabbanut of the Lower Galilee &#8211; Rabbi Rosenblatt, Rav Herzl&#8217;s son in law!!) &#8211; the hotel staff and mashgiach are happy to speak to anybody personally should the traveller need to verify or need reassurance regarding the level of kashrut (04 679 9450) the hotel manager Yitzchak Flanzer &#8211; an observant jew &#8211; is also available at any time.<br />
P.S. They do not have any arabs as part of their kitchen staff so I don&#8217;t think any issues come up with bishul Akum</p>
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		<title>By: chardal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chardal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 03:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like another case of politics overshadowing halacha...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like another case of politics overshadowing halacha&#8230;</p>
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