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		<title>By: ari-free</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 07:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[39: I don&#039;t think you understand the taavas involved. They are much stronger than smelling non-kosher. Education doesn&#039;t matter. If a teenage boy has access to unfiltered internet and he has a strong feeling, he will look when you are not around. That&#039;s just the way it is. It&#039;s like telling someone who is addicted to cigarettes that he shouldn&#039;t smoke because of the warning label. The feeling is too strong for reason to matter.
The solution is not to get entrapped in the first place.

There is another problem which is that young men are so used to seeing carefully selected, photoshopped pictures of women in the media that they are extremely picky when presented with the real thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>39: I don&#8217;t think you understand the taavas involved. They are much stronger than smelling non-kosher. Education doesn&#8217;t matter. If a teenage boy has access to unfiltered internet and he has a strong feeling, he will look when you are not around. That&#8217;s just the way it is. It&#8217;s like telling someone who is addicted to cigarettes that he shouldn&#8217;t smoke because of the warning label. The feeling is too strong for reason to matter.<br />
The solution is not to get entrapped in the first place.</p>
<p>There is another problem which is that young men are so used to seeing carefully selected, photoshopped pictures of women in the media that they are extremely picky when presented with the real thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Yoni1891</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yoni1891]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 07:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s the problem! I&#039;ve tried using that form hundreds of times, and it politely said &quot;A representative will get back to you shortly.&quot;  Does someone ever respond? NO! That&#039;s why I used this method of contacting you. It&#039;s time for you guys to be mentchin and make sure your website is working properly. Fix the print problem so that I shouldn&#039;t be printing empty pages anymore, and if you&#039;re going to have a cell phone service form, don&#039;t advertize one if you&#039;re not going to send any messages!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the problem! I&#8217;ve tried using that form hundreds of times, and it politely said &#8220;A representative will get back to you shortly.&#8221;  Does someone ever respond? NO! That&#8217;s why I used this method of contacting you. It&#8217;s time for you guys to be mentchin and make sure your website is working properly. Fix the print problem so that I shouldn&#8217;t be printing empty pages anymore, and if you&#8217;re going to have a cell phone service form, don&#8217;t advertize one if you&#8217;re not going to send any messages!</p>
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		<title>By: Yoni1891</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 04:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gadolhadorah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gadolhadorah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 03:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The unfiltered inernet is not the real problem.  The Satmar brothers would make a much greater contribution to their resepective kehillahs and yidden in general by focusing their energy on resolving the stupid broigas and lawsuits they perpetuate for over a decade, and ending the chillul hashem resulting from their failure to use a din torah to resolve their petty disputes.  More importantly, the comment that flatly bans ANY internet access by women shows the depths of misunderstanding underlying this whole charade.  Chareidi women work from the home much more so than men and thus have a much greater need for internet access then their husbands, most of whom sit in kollel and don&#039;t know from &quot;work-related internet needs&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The unfiltered inernet is not the real problem.  The Satmar brothers would make a much greater contribution to their resepective kehillahs and yidden in general by focusing their energy on resolving the stupid broigas and lawsuits they perpetuate for over a decade, and ending the chillul hashem resulting from their failure to use a din torah to resolve their petty disputes.  More importantly, the comment that flatly bans ANY internet access by women shows the depths of misunderstanding underlying this whole charade.  Chareidi women work from the home much more so than men and thus have a much greater need for internet access then their husbands, most of whom sit in kollel and don&#8217;t know from &#8220;work-related internet needs&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: shira1988</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shira1988]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 03:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the whole thing is a huge mistake. They made a whole asifa for this?? When the amount of publicity it got they could have made it MUCH more worthwhile.

Their target is to solve marriage issues? They are missing the point. The problem with marriage issues doesn&#039;t come FROM the internet! The problem had to be there before and the internet is a nice scape-goat and an easy way to do something wrong.

I think its a HUGE mistake. They need to focus on educating our children the difference between right and wrong and make sure that the next generation has SOLID foundations as to the ways of the world and what they SHOULD and SHOULDN&#039;T be doing. Instead of educating them why and how wrong it is - which hello - there are PLENTY of sources in the torah that makes it so crystal clear to anyone who wants to know the Emes what is right and wrong.
SO SO many teenagers fall simply because they don&#039;t know and want to find out more!! Thats where the problem starts. THESE teenagers are becoming the next husbands and wives... THESE teenagers are the source of all the marriages that have problems. They&#039;re the ones we need to focus on teaching them the RIGHT ways - because yes right now their only source of information is the internet and movies which is all wrong and against Torah ways. 

Blocking people never worked. Do we block people from walking past a non kosher restaurant juust incase they might be hungry one time and smell the food which smells so good and is so soo much cheaper than kosher food because we&#039;re worried they might go and buy some?? No of course not because from when they are 3 years old and even younger they are taught about kosher and non kosher - my small children always ask me in the store - is that kosher? oh no.. so they know they can&#039;t eat it no questions asked.

Why on earth is internet different. Is that website kosher? No! its not. If they are taught when they need to be taught what is ok and not they will keep to it the same as they keep to everything else. And from there - they&#039;ll become Adults that have already applied this method of Kosher and non Kosher online and when they come across difficulties in their marriage will be less likely to look for scapegoats - like the internet.

Yeah I&#039;m sorry to say but I&#039;ve seen whats out there online and what &#039;frum&#039; people have put up there - kosher filters do NOTHING. They just cause people who want to do wrong to find smarter ways of doing it....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the whole thing is a huge mistake. They made a whole asifa for this?? When the amount of publicity it got they could have made it MUCH more worthwhile.</p>
<p>Their target is to solve marriage issues? They are missing the point. The problem with marriage issues doesn&#8217;t come FROM the internet! The problem had to be there before and the internet is a nice scape-goat and an easy way to do something wrong.</p>
<p>I think its a HUGE mistake. They need to focus on educating our children the difference between right and wrong and make sure that the next generation has SOLID foundations as to the ways of the world and what they SHOULD and SHOULDN&#8217;T be doing. Instead of educating them why and how wrong it is &#8211; which hello &#8211; there are PLENTY of sources in the torah that makes it so crystal clear to anyone who wants to know the Emes what is right and wrong.<br />
SO SO many teenagers fall simply because they don&#8217;t know and want to find out more!! Thats where the problem starts. THESE teenagers are becoming the next husbands and wives&#8230; THESE teenagers are the source of all the marriages that have problems. They&#8217;re the ones we need to focus on teaching them the RIGHT ways &#8211; because yes right now their only source of information is the internet and movies which is all wrong and against Torah ways. </p>
<p>Blocking people never worked. Do we block people from walking past a non kosher restaurant juust incase they might be hungry one time and smell the food which smells so good and is so soo much cheaper than kosher food because we&#8217;re worried they might go and buy some?? No of course not because from when they are 3 years old and even younger they are taught about kosher and non kosher &#8211; my small children always ask me in the store &#8211; is that kosher? oh no.. so they know they can&#8217;t eat it no questions asked.</p>
<p>Why on earth is internet different. Is that website kosher? No! its not. If they are taught when they need to be taught what is ok and not they will keep to it the same as they keep to everything else. And from there &#8211; they&#8217;ll become Adults that have already applied this method of Kosher and non Kosher online and when they come across difficulties in their marriage will be less likely to look for scapegoats &#8211; like the internet.</p>
<p>Yeah I&#8217;m sorry to say but I&#8217;ve seen whats out there online and what &#8216;frum&#8217; people have put up there &#8211; kosher filters do NOTHING. They just cause people who want to do wrong to find smarter ways of doing it&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: 147</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 02:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yserbius123 says:
May 30, 2012 at 3:04 pm

Who said this, Reb Aharon or Reb Zalman? the Satmar Rebbe of Kiryas Yoel,  FYI:- The Satmar Rebbe in Kiryas Yoel, is Reb Aharon. 

So Yserbius123&#039;s next question should be:- Does this Pesak apply to the followers of Reb Zalman?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yserbius123 says:<br />
May 30, 2012 at 3:04 pm</p>
<p>Who said this, Reb Aharon or Reb Zalman? the Satmar Rebbe of Kiryas Yoel,  FYI:- The Satmar Rebbe in Kiryas Yoel, is Reb Aharon. </p>
<p>So Yserbius123&#8242;s next question should be:- Does this Pesak apply to the followers of Reb Zalman?</p>
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		<title>By: AWoman_outside_bklyn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AWoman_outside_bklyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 01:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you want the &quot;feel&quot; of a smartphone, get an LG Extravert and have your carrier block internet access on it.  It&#039;s a touch phone, has capacity for 500 contacts and has a calendar.  There, Dovid, that&#039;s all your requirements.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want the &#8220;feel&#8221; of a smartphone, get an LG Extravert and have your carrier block internet access on it.  It&#8217;s a touch phone, has capacity for 500 contacts and has a calendar.  There, Dovid, that&#8217;s all your requirements.</p>
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		<title>By: modern orthodox</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[modern orthodox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 00:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hashem gave us minds to think, learn, and make our own judgements and decisions. Sad that one can not have an open dialogue on this forum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hashem gave us minds to think, learn, and make our own judgements and decisions. Sad that one can not have an open dialogue on this forum.</p>
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		<title>By: mark levin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mark levin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 00:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[YonasonW,


Do I think you are seriously misguided?  Do I think you are an uber leftist? Do I think your comment above about rebbes &amp; chasidim showed a tremendous lack of derech eretz bordering apikorsis?

YES, YES, &amp; YES!!!, but I don&#039;t think you should be banned.  There is hope that one day your brain will take over and you will actually think about reality instead of liberal fantasyland.  

And, of course I forgive you for using my name in vain!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YonasonW,</p>
<p>Do I think you are seriously misguided?  Do I think you are an uber leftist? Do I think your comment above about rebbes &amp; chasidim showed a tremendous lack of derech eretz bordering apikorsis?</p>
<p>YES, YES, &amp; YES!!!, but I don&#8217;t think you should be banned.  There is hope that one day your brain will take over and you will actually think about reality instead of liberal fantasyland.  </p>
<p>And, of course I forgive you for using my name in vain!</p>
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		<title>By: Shlomo2</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shlomo2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 23:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just find it interesting that men can have access for business purposes while women are totally banned.
What do the Satmar women who work do?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just find it interesting that men can have access for business purposes while women are totally banned.<br />
What do the Satmar women who work do?</p>
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