Comments on: HaPeles Faction’s Show of Strength in Motzei Shabbos Kenos

By: Yira

Yira — Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:08:46 +0000

To Milhouse

The Chidoh writes that HKB”H uses the Time-Zone of E”Y, even for the week Maasei Breishus.

I’m looking for a M’kor in Shass or Medrash, for which Time-Zone we should use, not the Pshetel that you wrote.

For Moi’adim we do use the seasons of E”Y.

By: Milhouse

Milhouse — Mon, 15 Oct 2012 04:18:05 +0000

Oops, I meant #3 and #5. “Yira” and “ader”.

Also, what on earth has this topic got to do with the article? What prompted “Yira” to bring it up? I don’t see anything in the article about the times of Shabbos.

By: Milhouse

Milhouse — Mon, 15 Oct 2012 04:15:44 +0000

#2, #4, Who told you that HKBH and the mal’ochim follow the time zone of Eretz Yisroel?! This is not written anywhere, and it is not true. And #4′s claim about “many tzadikim” is nonsense on stilts. I challenge him to name one such “tzadik”.

See Shulchon Oruch Horav, 2nd edition, 1:8. “Midnight is a time of goodwill Above at all seasons and in every place. Although the days and nights vary with latitute and longitude, this doesn’t matter, just as the times of kriyas shma and prayer and the beginnings of shabbos and yomtov are in each place according to its own time. For times of goodwill Above, and the supreme unifications of kriyas shma and prayer, and the holiness of shabbos and yomtov, are higher than the concept of place and time, but they shine down to each place in its appropriate time. And this is also why a supreme holiness rests in chutz lo’oretz on the second day of yomtov.”

By: ader

ader — Sun, 14 Oct 2012 17:12:32 +0000

To Yira

Many Tzadikim are makpid, not to do a Melocho, in Chutz L’oretz, on Friday, when its already the Zman in Israel.

By: chachamhagadol

chachamhagadol — Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:49:41 +0000

Would someone please tell me what this faction stands for and why there is a need for factionalism in the Litvish world. Who is Hapeles? Who are it’s leaders?

By: Yira

Yira — Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:07:03 +0000

When was the Zman. If it’s so Poshut that HKB”H keeps Shabbos and does His daily activities, based on the Time-Zone of Eretz Yisroel. And the Malochim use the Time-Zone of E”Y to say Shira only during the night. Where do we have a M’Kor in Chazal, anywhere in Shaas, that we in Europe or USA, have a right not to keep Shabbos and fast Yom Kippur based on the Time-Zone of Eretz Yisroel. Its a D’oiraisoh.

By: MDshweks

MDshweks — Sun, 14 Oct 2012 11:28:53 +0000

The whole idea of questioning the current Gedolim based on Gedolim who are no longer with us is a dangerouse one. Realities change from generation to generation, and Hashem might want a soften, more flexible uproach for a new generation, and we must follow the Gadol of TODAY, not of 10 years ago.

By: lazerc

lazerc — Sun, 14 Oct 2012 10:22:24 +0000

That is amazing that so many people did turn out. I know that where I live in Jerusalem, Peles sells very few newspapers. Most Litvaks still read Yeted.

I wonder if all the people who came were supporters of Peles or perhaps many just came out of curiosity?