Comments on: HaPeles = Neturei Karta?

By: lazerc

lazerc — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 03:58:11 +0000

this article and the comments seem ignorant of NK visa vi the new peles. Peles is an extreme political group that have little feeling except for politics whereas NK are extremely anti politics. what there is in common is extreme feeling that they are correct, whereas most people look at both of them as being off the wall.

Politics requires on the ground common sense not extreme idealism that causes internal damage. Both NK and peles would do better by realizing that their extremism causes themselves and klal yisroel damage.

By: zionflag

zionflag — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 02:36:09 +0000

There are huge differences bt NK and Torah-true Jews especially in the formers embrace of the Arab leadership and disdain for any settlers in the entire Land of Israel.

By: coffee addict

coffee addict — Tue, 06 Nov 2012 00:16:29 +0000

#3,

I don’t think Neturei Karta says “there’s no Mitzva in trying to hold on to land etc. unless it saves lives” they say even if it saves lives there is no mitzva

By: vadim

vadim — Mon, 05 Nov 2012 23:56:38 +0000

Another difference:

We used to wear yellow stars, they still do.

By: UKbloke

UKbloke — Mon, 05 Nov 2012 23:17:47 +0000

This kind of talk might be bad for achdut and kiruv, and I doubt Rav Shlomo Zalman, or the former Rabbanut employee Rav Elyahshev, would approve.

By: MDshweks

MDshweks — Mon, 05 Nov 2012 23:13:23 +0000

I totally understand, and totally agree: We are still in Golus, and part of that Golus is being under a government apose to Torah. Being in EY is only another Golus, but there’s no Mitzva in trying to hold on to land etc. unless it saves lives… All these are not what the Mizrachi believes, but the Neturei Karta do.

However,other NK Hashkafah include talking deragitory about Talmidei Chachomim, holding up a Palestinian flag, viewing anyone with a different hashkafah as a ‘Kofer’ etc.and I’m sure he doesn’t mean those things, he just means how we view the Zionist government.

By: akuperma

akuperma — Mon, 05 Nov 2012 22:53:08 +0000

The gap between Neturei Karta and the “kippah srugah” community isn’t all that great. Consider what would happen if the Arabs were to offer that in exchange for giving up “sovereignty” (i.e. a flag at the UN, our own money, a team at the Olympics) we could get the opportunity to live anywhere in Eretz Yisrael in peace and complete freedom to be frum as long as the yishuv was part of the Islamic middle east (not making an issue with Islamic law except when halacha is different) The hiloni Jews, horrified at what we would lose (ribit, drugs, abortions, pornography, etc.). Most of the modern orthodox would find the deal acceptable.

Frankly, the hilonim have shown their love for the fellow zionists (the kippah srugah types) is not much different than the love those with beard and pe’os.

Note that we learn the same Torah, often together, and the rabbanim of all groups are cousins.

The gap between Shomer Shabbos Jews isn’t that great, even if you compare Neturei Karta to the fanatic “settlers”.

By: daddeutsch

daddeutsch — Mon, 05 Nov 2012 22:51:13 +0000

These attitudes are certain to hasten the arrival of Moshiach…

I presume that Hashem explained to Rabbi Friedman EXACTLY what He wants every Jew to look like, what color his hat should be, and the proper “shiur” for the rocks to throw at cars on Shabbos.

Don’t we EVER learn?