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	<title>Comments on: Religious Affairs Ministry Boasts Major Reform as Promised</title>
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		<title>By: Yoseph Schreiber</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yoseph Schreiber]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 06:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to me that the function of a rabbi in marriage today is to ask the right questions and discuss the important issues that will help the young couple get off to a good start in their new life together.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that the function of a rabbi in marriage today is to ask the right questions and discuss the important issues that will help the young couple get off to a good start in their new life together.</p>
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		<title>By: Bigsam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bigsam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 05:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[to akuperman
You make an argument that it is better to not have a rabbanut in charge of marriage and divorce. You are so wrong.

First of all, the famous psak of Reb Moshe Feinstein ztz&quot;l that offspring of remarried women who didn&#039;t receive a GET are non-mamzerim based on the assumtion that their first marriage was not halachically valid is a bdi eved psak. reb moshe was faced with a terrifying situation of total hefkerus amongst the non frum yidden and in his great ahavas yisrael found a way out for their offspring. He never suggested that l&#039;chatchila jewish people should not have an halachically valid marriage. You are suggesting just that. And on what Gadol do you base your suggestion? 

Secondly, you suggest that most jewish children of secular families in israel are safek mamzerim. I can&#039;t believe that yeshiva world news actually approved such a statement. It goes against their policy of not allowing inflammatory statements that contain motzei sheim rah. And you have just been motzei shaim rah millions of yidden! Shame on you kuperman and shame on YWN! And you are so wrong! Even a married woman who has relations with another man and then has a child - the child is not even a mamzer - as the chazakah goes according to rov, and rov is with her husband.

The secular community in israel gets married properly and gets divorced properly, according to halacha, and that is one of the great achievments of the rabbanut.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to akuperman<br />
You make an argument that it is better to not have a rabbanut in charge of marriage and divorce. You are so wrong.</p>
<p>First of all, the famous psak of Reb Moshe Feinstein ztz&#8221;l that offspring of remarried women who didn&#8217;t receive a GET are non-mamzerim based on the assumtion that their first marriage was not halachically valid is a bdi eved psak. reb moshe was faced with a terrifying situation of total hefkerus amongst the non frum yidden and in his great ahavas yisrael found a way out for their offspring. He never suggested that l&#8217;chatchila jewish people should not have an halachically valid marriage. You are suggesting just that. And on what Gadol do you base your suggestion? </p>
<p>Secondly, you suggest that most jewish children of secular families in israel are safek mamzerim. I can&#8217;t believe that yeshiva world news actually approved such a statement. It goes against their policy of not allowing inflammatory statements that contain motzei sheim rah. And you have just been motzei shaim rah millions of yidden! Shame on you kuperman and shame on YWN! And you are so wrong! Even a married woman who has relations with another man and then has a child &#8211; the child is not even a mamzer &#8211; as the chazakah goes according to rov, and rov is with her husband.</p>
<p>The secular community in israel gets married properly and gets divorced properly, according to halacha, and that is one of the great achievments of the rabbanut.</p>
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		<title>By: takingabreak</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[takingabreak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 20:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; religious affairs&quot; doesn&#039;t he mean   irreligious affairs?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; religious affairs&#8221; doesn&#8217;t he mean   irreligious affairs?</p>
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		<title>By: takingabreak</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[takingabreak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 20:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[we r rapidly approaching the level of kulunu chyovim. what reshaim heaven protect us from the divine retribution which cv must follow such an outrage]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we r rapidly approaching the level of kulunu chyovim. what reshaim heaven protect us from the divine retribution which cv must follow such an outrage</p>
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		<title>By: RabbiYoni</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RabbiYoni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 19:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Finally, these guys have done something good!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally, these guys have done something good!</p>
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		<title>By: akuperma</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[akuperma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 18:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. Will Bennett support recognition of non-zionist but halachically correct marriages, divorces, and conversions?  At present they generally recognize marriages and divorces among hareidim, but not conversions. 

2. The attempts by the religious zionists and some hareidim to force all Israelis to observe halacha in personal relations failed long ago, and was doomed from the start since Israel never criminalized de facto relationships (which are lawful under halacha, but that&#039;s another issue) and never criminalized adultery.  Unfortunately, non-religious persons (or all religions) since the mid-20th century have tended to engage in relations regardless of whether or not they are married to the other person, or to someone else. This leads to a situation that most Jewish secular persons, after several generations, are routinely producing children who are safek mamzerim (and unfortunately, this can easily be checked by DNA testing - though I suspect many hareidim rabbanim will on principle not accept such tests when conducted to prove mamzerus).  This suggests the wisdom of many (especially American) hareidi rabbanim of not recognizing any marriages involving people who aren&#039;t Shomer Mitsvos, on the theory that they never intended to be married K&#039;Dat Moshe v&#039;Yisrael. 

3. Given the current situation in other areas, such as Bennett&#039;s support of the plan to conscript or arrest all yeshiva students, close done non-zionist yeshivos, mandating gender mixing in private activities, prohibiting Jewish parents from giving their children a Torah intensive education, etc.-- all this will do is result it most Hareidim regarding Zionists as safek goyim, safek mamzerim, and further accelerate the process of create a split similar to that which exists between us and the Samaritans (who we hold to be goyim) and the Karites (who we hold to be mamzerim).

4. A better solution, at this point in time (i.e. several years since the invention of effective contraception precipitated a &quot;revolution&quot; we don&#039;t like to talk about in public), it might be better for the government to stop encouraging non-religious people to engage in ceremonies that are meaningless to them and will result in their children being mamzerim (when produced by adultery, which is very common among them) - and treats domestic relations as a matter for private agreements between the parties rather than state action.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Will Bennett support recognition of non-zionist but halachically correct marriages, divorces, and conversions?  At present they generally recognize marriages and divorces among hareidim, but not conversions. </p>
<p>2. The attempts by the religious zionists and some hareidim to force all Israelis to observe halacha in personal relations failed long ago, and was doomed from the start since Israel never criminalized de facto relationships (which are lawful under halacha, but that&#8217;s another issue) and never criminalized adultery.  Unfortunately, non-religious persons (or all religions) since the mid-20th century have tended to engage in relations regardless of whether or not they are married to the other person, or to someone else. This leads to a situation that most Jewish secular persons, after several generations, are routinely producing children who are safek mamzerim (and unfortunately, this can easily be checked by DNA testing &#8211; though I suspect many hareidim rabbanim will on principle not accept such tests when conducted to prove mamzerus).  This suggests the wisdom of many (especially American) hareidi rabbanim of not recognizing any marriages involving people who aren&#8217;t Shomer Mitsvos, on the theory that they never intended to be married K&#8217;Dat Moshe v&#8217;Yisrael. </p>
<p>3. Given the current situation in other areas, such as Bennett&#8217;s support of the plan to conscript or arrest all yeshiva students, close done non-zionist yeshivos, mandating gender mixing in private activities, prohibiting Jewish parents from giving their children a Torah intensive education, etc.&#8211; all this will do is result it most Hareidim regarding Zionists as safek goyim, safek mamzerim, and further accelerate the process of create a split similar to that which exists between us and the Samaritans (who we hold to be goyim) and the Karites (who we hold to be mamzerim).</p>
<p>4. A better solution, at this point in time (i.e. several years since the invention of effective contraception precipitated a &#8220;revolution&#8221; we don&#8217;t like to talk about in public), it might be better for the government to stop encouraging non-religious people to engage in ceremonies that are meaningless to them and will result in their children being mamzerim (when produced by adultery, which is very common among them) &#8211; and treats domestic relations as a matter for private agreements between the parties rather than state action.</p>
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		<title>By: bklynmom</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 18:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like an excellent plan.

&quot;the religious council can contact a local rav who is familiar with an applicant and thereby facilitate if s/he is truly single and eligible for marriage&quot;. ---- We are living in an age of technology, phone services, faxes, emails etc.  A religious council of Kiryat Gat can contact the Rav of Haifa to ensure that the marriage partners are single, jewish, etc. and why shouldn&#039;t a couple get married by Rabbonim that they are comfortable with....that is the minhag throughout the world!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like an excellent plan.</p>
<p>&#8220;the religious council can contact a local rav who is familiar with an applicant and thereby facilitate if s/he is truly single and eligible for marriage&#8221;. &#8212;- We are living in an age of technology, phone services, faxes, emails etc.  A religious council of Kiryat Gat can contact the Rav of Haifa to ensure that the marriage partners are single, jewish, etc. and why shouldn&#8217;t a couple get married by Rabbonim that they are comfortable with&#8230;.that is the minhag throughout the world!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bigsam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bigsam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 18:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds very good.  Competition always always always  reduces prices and improves services. In this case where the price is fixed, services will most definitely improve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds very good.  Competition always always always  reduces prices and improves services. In this case where the price is fixed, services will most definitely improve.</p>
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		<title>By: Yagel Libi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yagel Libi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 18:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shehecheyanu!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shehecheyanu!</p>
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