Comments on: Charish: Chareidi or Secular?

By: BarryLS1

BarryLS1 — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:58:25 +0000

#6. You can turn your points around. Zoning Laws are not religious based. The Chareidim don’t want Chilonim for neighbors.

There have been a number of communities expected to be Chiloni that Chareidim took over, ie. Har Nof.

As #7 said, live where you weants, have respect for others, be a mentch and live and let live.

Under those conditions, they may have a positive influence that would encourage more Baalei Teshuvah.

I’ll add one more thing; Keep the Kedusha of the Land and don’t TRASH it.

By: onlylettuce

onlylettuce — Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:13:18 +0000

yichusdik***** Say, from where did you get this novel idea?
Sounds too logical, too mentchlach, too sensible, too uncontroversial, too civilized and has potential for a —- may I say it?—–kiddush Hashem.
Gee yichusdik ,who’d a thunk it?

P.S. **** Got a good daughter/granddaughter for my grandson?

By: yichusdik

yichusdik — Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:56:48 +0000

Here’s an idea. Live in your home how you like, respect your neighbors, and keep public places public, within the law. If you think the laws allow things you would rather not see or have around, do your hishtadlus to change opinions and vote in a government that will change the law to circumstances you favour. Until then, live and let live.

What a novel concept.

By: akuperma

akuperma — Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:45:58 +0000

1. There never were “pure” haredi (meaning frum) cities in the past – it’s just that we never talked about the goyim (archeologists find proof they existed – we just ignored them).

2. It is unwise to allow a concept of “zoning” for religion when the people who run the government are bigots who have been showing significant prejudice against you.

3. The hilonim definitely don’t want frum neighbors. Since almost by definition, the hilonim have the money, they will choose which neighborhoods they want, and we can get the rest. If you want to build a development that will only attract frum people, the housing should be shoddy and it should include such undesirable features that most hilonim will stay away – and it should NOT rely on the government for anything.

By: zionflag

zionflag — Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:45:52 +0000

How about a flagship city of Charedim and Secular (sort of like most of the USA cities)? Make it a model of coexistence.

The reality is that both Secular, Traditional, Religious and Charedi Jews all need housing in Israel. Believe it or not….all are marrying, having children and want a reasonable priced dirah.

By: bem684

bem684 — Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:24:29 +0000

Many people who were considered “religious” back in Europe would not be considered “Chareidi” today.

And I still don’t see why it’s needed. 90+% of the Chareidi tzibur lives alongside non-Chareidi Jews, and gentiles.

By: truthsharer

truthsharer — Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:15:38 +0000

Ottisville.

By: Israeli Chareidi

Israeli Chareidi — Thu, 29 Aug 2013 20:15:06 +0000

bem684:
Yes.
Many shtetlach in Europe about a hundred years ago.
Neharda’a
Pumpedisa
Sura
etc.

By: bem684

bem684 — Thu, 29 Aug 2013 19:44:54 +0000

Why do we need an “exlusively chareidi city”? Has there ever been such a thing in the history of the world?