Comments on: Yesh Atid Pushing Civil Marriage

By: charliehall

charliehall — Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:49:58 +0000

“why would Rabbanim be opposed to it?”

Two reasons:

1) Power.

2) Drive the non-frum further away from Yiddishkeit.

I’m sure that most of the rabbinic opponents do not really WANT to do #2, but this is precisely the kind of action that does do that.

By: Vuckovicher Chossid

Vuckovicher Chossid — Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:41:51 +0000

Lapig said: “One of the basic rights of humanity is to love how one sees fit.”
Hmmm, if one fell in love with a Nazi, Lapig would allow that too? Probably, since he’s a Nazi himself.

By: AThought

AThought — Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:46:44 +0000

Leave it up to chilonim. They want civil marriage or no marriage altogether (which is actually the same thing for Jews) but they insist on marriage for same gender baalei teivot baalei aveirot.

This is about the only thing I agree with Lapid as #1 said. What do they need marriage for if they anyhow “live in sin”? Civil marriage will at least not bring mamzerim into the world. But why would Rabbanim be opposed to it?

By: akuperma

akuperma — Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:26:43 +0000

“Civil marriage” is a meaningless change since Israel, since its founding, has tolerated adultery. Unlike like cultures there is no such thing as “living in sin” in Israeli law (with serious economic penalties – at one time under western law if the father was married to the mother he had no rights or duties pertaining to the children — which has never been the halacha).

Many rabbanim consider rabbinate marriages involving hilonim to be no different than “civil” marriage since the intent of the bride and groom is NOT to be married “k’Das Moshe v’Yisrael” but only “k’Das” the government – and if the government has a ritual formula, that’s fine but its only to make Netanyahu happy, and no more.

It would be better if the frum community in Israel focus on protecting their own members (e.g. making sure a woman gets a “get” when her husband ends the marriage) rather than creating numberous shailohs and a large number of putative mamzering by coercing hilonim to go through an imitation of a halachic marriage (which is probably void, certainly voidable, and is a farce since they have no intentions of concluding a Jewish marriage).

By: Shver

Shver — Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:04:24 +0000

I think it would behoove YWN to cut out the womens underwear adds on the front page of this post

By: berelshain

berelshain — Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:42:19 +0000

This is a very positive step. Anyone who reflexively opposes this will be responsible for being marbeh mamzeirim. It is safe to assume that Israelis would be satisfied with a civil marriage would not give a halachically valid Get should it ever come to that. The torah community should welcome civil marriage because in the long run it will prevent serious mamzeirus shailos.