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	<title>Comments on: Medical Askan Benny Fischer: Terem Was Told of the Exterminator</title>
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		<title>By: avreimi</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know if the story told by #5 is true or not. I don&#039;t know what happened at Terem the night the Gross family went there. I find it hard to believe that the parents did not tell the staffers at Terem or at least one of them what had happened. But I also find it hard to believe that none of the Terem staffers, who I have personally always found to be conscientious, didn&#039;t press the parents. The one thing I do know is that as I wasn&#039;t there, just like Mr. Fisher wasn&#039;t there, I will not blacken the name of Terem on the basis of my non existent personal knowledge. Mr Fisher you are guilty of the most terrible loshon hora. I for one think that possuls you from being a reliable source of medical advice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if the story told by #5 is true or not. I don&#8217;t know what happened at Terem the night the Gross family went there. I find it hard to believe that the parents did not tell the staffers at Terem or at least one of them what had happened. But I also find it hard to believe that none of the Terem staffers, who I have personally always found to be conscientious, didn&#8217;t press the parents. The one thing I do know is that as I wasn&#8217;t there, just like Mr. Fisher wasn&#8217;t there, I will not blacken the name of Terem on the basis of my non existent personal knowledge. Mr Fisher you are guilty of the most terrible loshon hora. I for one think that possuls you from being a reliable source of medical advice.</p>
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		<title>By: The Chassidishe Gatesheader</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Chassidishe Gatesheader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2014 21:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d just like to share my own experience with Mr Fisher.

When she was 16, my wife (then not yet, of course) seriously broke several bones in her ankle in a fall. She had several surgeries, and for a while the issue was resolved.

Just after we got married the pain returned. Now let me record this properly.

* We went to the Clalit GP, who said probably the metal placed during the earlier surgeries was causing the pain, and referred us to an orthopedic surgeon at Clalit for further evaluation.
* Clalit orthopedic surgeon said the same.
* We then decided to move her to Maccabi as well (where I was already), so we re-started the process there.
* Maccabi referred us to Shaarei Tzedek hospital for surgery.

* Shaarei Tzedek orthopedic surgeon evaluated the imagery and noticed something unusual. He called in two other more senior colleagues and they conferred: it turned out she had a rather rare condition (something that happens to 1 per million of people, statistically). We ended up at the head of the foot/ankle orthopedics team, Dr Shmuel Weiss.
* For a second opinion, pressured by my mother-in-law, we went to see the head of the orthopedics team at Hadassah Ein Kerem. He agreed with the Shaarei Tzedek team&#039;s findings, told us to continue with the surgery there and said at Hadassah it would be much more complicated since they didn&#039;t have the tools to make it a minimally invasive surgery, which Shaarei Tzedek did have. He told us to send his greetings to Dr Weiss.

So, finally, the days before surgery. My wife became more and more nervous. She was quite scared of the surgery. So, against my advice (saying it would only confuse her), she called Benny Fisher for advice.

His advice: &quot;Don&#039;t do the surgery. Just don&#039;t do it, don&#039;t worry, it will disappear by itself.&quot;

Now please keep in mind at that point, for months already, she could barely walk and was almost crying from pain if she walked to the makolet 50 meters from our house.

I called Benny Fisher and asked him why he had told my wife not do so the surgery. I said I question his judgment, as this is an extremely rare condition not even known to most orthopedic surgeons (note the ones at Clalit and Maccabi hadn&#039;t seen it). He&#039;s not a physician at all, let alone an orthopedic surgeon.

Benny Fisher&#039;s answer: &quot;That&#039;s my business not yours, I don&#039;t have time to talk to you.&quot;
I told him: &quot;You told my wife not to do a surgery decided upon by 4 different orthopedic surgeons in Shaarei Tzedek and by the head of orthopedics at Hadassah Ein Kerem. You totally confused my wife and we have a real problem now. You owe me an explanation for this.&quot;
His answer: &quot;No, I don&#039;t owe you anything at all.&quot;

At that point I said something not so nice and he hung up the phone.

My wife eventually did undergo the surgery and it went fine.

I will leave it to others to draw their own conclusions about Mr Fisher.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d just like to share my own experience with Mr Fisher.</p>
<p>When she was 16, my wife (then not yet, of course) seriously broke several bones in her ankle in a fall. She had several surgeries, and for a while the issue was resolved.</p>
<p>Just after we got married the pain returned. Now let me record this properly.</p>
<p>* We went to the Clalit GP, who said probably the metal placed during the earlier surgeries was causing the pain, and referred us to an orthopedic surgeon at Clalit for further evaluation.<br />
* Clalit orthopedic surgeon said the same.<br />
* We then decided to move her to Maccabi as well (where I was already), so we re-started the process there.<br />
* Maccabi referred us to Shaarei Tzedek hospital for surgery.</p>
<p>* Shaarei Tzedek orthopedic surgeon evaluated the imagery and noticed something unusual. He called in two other more senior colleagues and they conferred: it turned out she had a rather rare condition (something that happens to 1 per million of people, statistically). We ended up at the head of the foot/ankle orthopedics team, Dr Shmuel Weiss.<br />
* For a second opinion, pressured by my mother-in-law, we went to see the head of the orthopedics team at Hadassah Ein Kerem. He agreed with the Shaarei Tzedek team&#8217;s findings, told us to continue with the surgery there and said at Hadassah it would be much more complicated since they didn&#8217;t have the tools to make it a minimally invasive surgery, which Shaarei Tzedek did have. He told us to send his greetings to Dr Weiss.</p>
<p>So, finally, the days before surgery. My wife became more and more nervous. She was quite scared of the surgery. So, against my advice (saying it would only confuse her), she called Benny Fisher for advice.</p>
<p>His advice: &#8220;Don&#8217;t do the surgery. Just don&#8217;t do it, don&#8217;t worry, it will disappear by itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now please keep in mind at that point, for months already, she could barely walk and was almost crying from pain if she walked to the makolet 50 meters from our house.</p>
<p>I called Benny Fisher and asked him why he had told my wife not do so the surgery. I said I question his judgment, as this is an extremely rare condition not even known to most orthopedic surgeons (note the ones at Clalit and Maccabi hadn&#8217;t seen it). He&#8217;s not a physician at all, let alone an orthopedic surgeon.</p>
<p>Benny Fisher&#8217;s answer: &#8220;That&#8217;s my business not yours, I don&#8217;t have time to talk to you.&#8221;<br />
I told him: &#8220;You told my wife not to do a surgery decided upon by 4 different orthopedic surgeons in Shaarei Tzedek and by the head of orthopedics at Hadassah Ein Kerem. You totally confused my wife and we have a real problem now. You owe me an explanation for this.&#8221;<br />
His answer: &#8220;No, I don&#8217;t owe you anything at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>At that point I said something not so nice and he hung up the phone.</p>
<p>My wife eventually did undergo the surgery and it went fine.</p>
<p>I will leave it to others to draw their own conclusions about Mr Fisher.</p>
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		<title>By: twisted</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2014 18:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was once a lowly EMT. Our protocol included the &quot;merciless&quot; questioning and digging to get the details of last 24 hour history. That medical functionaries are held it less a standard is mind numbing. Someone at Terem is no less at fault than the exterminator. Had the the patients not said anything, it was the clinic&#039;s business to make sure they did say anything that is possibly relevant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was once a lowly EMT. Our protocol included the &#8220;merciless&#8221; questioning and digging to get the details of last 24 hour history. That medical functionaries are held it less a standard is mind numbing. Someone at Terem is no less at fault than the exterminator. Had the the patients not said anything, it was the clinic&#8217;s business to make sure they did say anything that is possibly relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Israeli Chareidi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Israeli Chareidi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#1
Actually most people here do have a family physician.
Terem is for after hours emergencies. It&#039;s like an emergency room without the rest of the hospital.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1<br />
Actually most people here do have a family physician.<br />
Terem is for after hours emergencies. It&#8217;s like an emergency room without the rest of the hospital.</p>
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		<title>By: moeisrael</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[moeisrael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We should start a major campaign to boycott Terem until they bleed bad financially or maybe even close down!!!Or else do full unmitigated Teshuvah.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should start a major campaign to boycott Terem until they bleed bad financially or maybe even close down!!!Or else do full unmitigated Teshuvah.</p>
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		<title>By: adamemes1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[adamemes1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not positive &quot;that if people actually had a family physician like they used to then the doctors would be more attuned to abnormalities and respond to cases differently than a clinic where everyone is just one massive group of human flesh and it basically a medical factory of procedures based on a book the doctors learned while in college with no ability to differentiate between cases&quot; but I am pretty sure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not positive &#8220;that if people actually had a family physician like they used to then the doctors would be more attuned to abnormalities and respond to cases differently than a clinic where everyone is just one massive group of human flesh and it basically a medical factory of procedures based on a book the doctors learned while in college with no ability to differentiate between cases&#8221; but I am pretty sure.</p>
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