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		<title>By: yytz</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 19:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Softwords, I agree that there is a risk that complete legalization would lead to an increase in use. However, use is already so high (nearly 40% of adults in the country have tried the drug) that I do not think use would rise much. If we say we are legalizing it because of the harms of prohibition, not because it is a safe drug without any dangers, then this should help stop use from increasing significantly. 

Just as we realized the the prohibition of alcohol in the early 20th century was a failure, and had to undo it, we should do the same today. To be sure, some people may have been concerned that repealing prohibition sent a message that drinking alcohol habitually or in large amounts was OK. But that is a risk we had to take. If we speak to our children honestly and tell them about the dangers of marijuana -- panic attacks, mental health problems, anxiety, accidents, making bad decisions -- and supervise them appropriately, then b&#039;ezras Hashem we can keep them from using the drugs.

In practice, the government will continue to lock tons of people up for using marijuana as long as it is illegal. Decriminalization would be an improvement but would retain all the violence and public health problems associated with a black market. That is why I support complete legalization. 

It is possible there are some real &quot;pushers&quot; who deserve to be punished harshly, but most drug dealers are not in the business of cajoling people into using the drug -- they&#039;re just providing people with a product they want, and if they didn&#039;t do it somebody else would. If that&#039;s all they&#039;re doing then I think it&#039;s a poor life choice, but not something worth a prison sentence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Softwords, I agree that there is a risk that complete legalization would lead to an increase in use. However, use is already so high (nearly 40% of adults in the country have tried the drug) that I do not think use would rise much. If we say we are legalizing it because of the harms of prohibition, not because it is a safe drug without any dangers, then this should help stop use from increasing significantly. </p>
<p>Just as we realized the the prohibition of alcohol in the early 20th century was a failure, and had to undo it, we should do the same today. To be sure, some people may have been concerned that repealing prohibition sent a message that drinking alcohol habitually or in large amounts was OK. But that is a risk we had to take. If we speak to our children honestly and tell them about the dangers of marijuana &#8212; panic attacks, mental health problems, anxiety, accidents, making bad decisions &#8212; and supervise them appropriately, then b&#8217;ezras Hashem we can keep them from using the drugs.</p>
<p>In practice, the government will continue to lock tons of people up for using marijuana as long as it is illegal. Decriminalization would be an improvement but would retain all the violence and public health problems associated with a black market. That is why I support complete legalization. </p>
<p>It is possible there are some real &#8220;pushers&#8221; who deserve to be punished harshly, but most drug dealers are not in the business of cajoling people into using the drug &#8212; they&#8217;re just providing people with a product they want, and if they didn&#8217;t do it somebody else would. If that&#8217;s all they&#8217;re doing then I think it&#8217;s a poor life choice, but not something worth a prison sentence.</p>
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		<title>By: Softwords</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 17:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#13 yytz - My comment was not concerning your first two paragraphs, but rather the later two. I agree that the legal actions taken are ridiculous! The addict shouldn&#039;t be punished! It&#039;s the pushers that should pay the price! Medical marijuana should be legalize, but with stricter conditions such as only for cancer patients as a pain reliever, etc. Right now, everybody knows that the medical legalization is being abused.

What&#039;s ridiculous is to legalize it for recreational purposes and then expect people to stay away from it (especially children). That&#039;s like giving a teenager a computer with non-filtered access and expecting him not to surf porn sites! Only an absolute idiot expects that his kids won&#039;t look merely from his request to refrain!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13 yytz &#8211; My comment was not concerning your first two paragraphs, but rather the later two. I agree that the legal actions taken are ridiculous! The addict shouldn&#8217;t be punished! It&#8217;s the pushers that should pay the price! Medical marijuana should be legalize, but with stricter conditions such as only for cancer patients as a pain reliever, etc. Right now, everybody knows that the medical legalization is being abused.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s ridiculous is to legalize it for recreational purposes and then expect people to stay away from it (especially children). That&#8217;s like giving a teenager a computer with non-filtered access and expecting him not to surf porn sites! Only an absolute idiot expects that his kids won&#8217;t look merely from his request to refrain!</p>
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		<title>By: yytz</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 16:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Softwords: It&#039;s ignorant to question putting millions of people in jail, exposing them to brutality and forced sodomy and at great taxpayer cost, even though 1) the Torah does not specify imprisonment as a punishment, 2) the Torah never bans any plants, 3) criminalization does little to decrease use? In fact, in countries with legal marijuana, such as Netherlands, the overall rate of pot use is lower than in the US.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Softwords: It&#8217;s ignorant to question putting millions of people in jail, exposing them to brutality and forced sodomy and at great taxpayer cost, even though 1) the Torah does not specify imprisonment as a punishment, 2) the Torah never bans any plants, 3) criminalization does little to decrease use? In fact, in countries with legal marijuana, such as Netherlands, the overall rate of pot use is lower than in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: KRANBERRY</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KRANBERRY]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 16:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[whatever doubts we have now about the dangers of marijuana will be proved medically in the coming years,r moshe is not wrong.im gonna rely on him until its proved in labs(thats fun)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whatever doubts we have now about the dangers of marijuana will be proved medically in the coming years,r moshe is not wrong.im gonna rely on him until its proved in labs(thats fun)</p>
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		<title>By: Realisticguy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 09:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You forget one important component there are actually studies that show marijuana actually combats the risks of lung cancer..these are medical studies so I am not sure where he sees that it raises the risks. Maybe smoking cigarettes raises the risks oflung cancer by 200% but not marijauna. Feel free to Google this info but I am 99% this is true.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forget one important component there are actually studies that show marijuana actually combats the risks of lung cancer..these are medical studies so I am not sure where he sees that it raises the risks. Maybe smoking cigarettes raises the risks oflung cancer by 200% but not marijauna. Feel free to Google this info but I am 99% this is true.</p>
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		<title>By: nombody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 09:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am personally acquainted with a Rabbi here in Israel who&#039;s son is undergoing cancer treatment and the medical marijuana is the ONLY thing that has been able to help control his nausea and let him lead a less painful and more normal life.  I am also familiar with another person, also a rabbi, who is paralyzed from the waist down and suffers from debilitating spinal pain, and after many years he found that the medical marijuana was the only thing that could help him.

Also the marijuana does not have to be smoked, it can be baked into foods. In fact I have seen medical marijuana foods here in Israel with a hechsher on them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am personally acquainted with a Rabbi here in Israel who&#8217;s son is undergoing cancer treatment and the medical marijuana is the ONLY thing that has been able to help control his nausea and let him lead a less painful and more normal life.  I am also familiar with another person, also a rabbi, who is paralyzed from the waist down and suffers from debilitating spinal pain, and after many years he found that the medical marijuana was the only thing that could help him.</p>
<p>Also the marijuana does not have to be smoked, it can be baked into foods. In fact I have seen medical marijuana foods here in Israel with a hechsher on them.</p>
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		<title>By: cobycom1</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 06:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recreational marijuana doubles the risk of testicular cancer]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recreational marijuana doubles the risk of testicular cancer</p>
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		<title>By: Softwords</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 06:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sim_cha - like I said, If you don’t need it, why start?! You don&#039;t need cigarettes, right? Why marijuana? You don&#039;t need it. Also, let&#039;s face it. We can&#039;t imaging Rav Chaim or Rav Steinman, shlita puffing a reefer. There&#039;s a reason for that. It&#039;s simply not something a Ben Torah would do. If you are smoking pot, you can&#039;t be considered a TRUE Ben Torah. It&#039;s as simple as that. You may feel yourself to be, but NO Chochom will consider you one.

Yanky55 - I can&#039;t really speak for R&#039; Hoffman, but I&#039;m going to guess from his statements that he wouldn&#039;t object for someone with cancer. Of course, that would be something that an individual would have to ask his posek and is not something that is a psak for the general public.

yytz - your comment is akin to someone saying, &quot;I object to premarital relationship, but I feel that we should hand out contraceptives&quot;. That&#039;s just ignorant thinking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sim_cha &#8211; like I said, If you don’t need it, why start?! You don&#8217;t need cigarettes, right? Why marijuana? You don&#8217;t need it. Also, let&#8217;s face it. We can&#8217;t imaging Rav Chaim or Rav Steinman, shlita puffing a reefer. There&#8217;s a reason for that. It&#8217;s simply not something a Ben Torah would do. If you are smoking pot, you can&#8217;t be considered a TRUE Ben Torah. It&#8217;s as simple as that. You may feel yourself to be, but NO Chochom will consider you one.</p>
<p>Yanky55 &#8211; I can&#8217;t really speak for R&#8217; Hoffman, but I&#8217;m going to guess from his statements that he wouldn&#8217;t object for someone with cancer. Of course, that would be something that an individual would have to ask his posek and is not something that is a psak for the general public.</p>
<p>yytz &#8211; your comment is akin to someone saying, &#8220;I object to premarital relationship, but I feel that we should hand out contraceptives&#8221;. That&#8217;s just ignorant thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: garlic</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 04:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[there is a big difference between medical marijuana and &#039;recreational&#039; marijuana.

Using marijuana for enjoyment is probably one of the worst things a person can do with his life. I have personally seen people who as youths light up and later drop out of society preferring a basically hedonistic lifestyle. It ruins family values not to mention Torah values.

However, I have seen people in late stages of illnesses that are killers and generate much pain. One of my close friends was in such an advanced state of an illness that the pain was more than he could endure. The doctors gave him medical morphine so that he could cope with his last days.

There is a place for medical drugs (they are called drugs since many are just that: drugs). It is for relieving pain. Medical marijuana is the same; if used to help a person who has a physical illness that can not be cured, well, then it is in the service of man. 

But if the person just wants a &#039;pickup&#039; from something minor or a personality problem that can be solved otherwise, etc, marijuana can be the worst thing possible.

Like all things, cool intelligent minds must decide if this particular case or that case requires medical marijuana or not and not the prospective user.

I do not believe there is a case to forbid medical marijuana anymore than medical morphine and I do not believe there is a case to permit recreation marijuana anymore than there is any reason to permit recreational morphine, heroin, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is a big difference between medical marijuana and &#8216;recreational&#8217; marijuana.</p>
<p>Using marijuana for enjoyment is probably one of the worst things a person can do with his life. I have personally seen people who as youths light up and later drop out of society preferring a basically hedonistic lifestyle. It ruins family values not to mention Torah values.</p>
<p>However, I have seen people in late stages of illnesses that are killers and generate much pain. One of my close friends was in such an advanced state of an illness that the pain was more than he could endure. The doctors gave him medical morphine so that he could cope with his last days.</p>
<p>There is a place for medical drugs (they are called drugs since many are just that: drugs). It is for relieving pain. Medical marijuana is the same; if used to help a person who has a physical illness that can not be cured, well, then it is in the service of man. </p>
<p>But if the person just wants a &#8216;pickup&#8217; from something minor or a personality problem that can be solved otherwise, etc, marijuana can be the worst thing possible.</p>
<p>Like all things, cool intelligent minds must decide if this particular case or that case requires medical marijuana or not and not the prospective user.</p>
<p>I do not believe there is a case to forbid medical marijuana anymore than medical morphine and I do not believe there is a case to permit recreation marijuana anymore than there is any reason to permit recreational morphine, heroin, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: besalel</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 02:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[no less than nine very serious issues in which Vicodin/codeine/percecet/oxycodine/xanax affects a person. 1] It affects a person physically and 2] mentally. It further 3] prevents him from studying Torah properly and from 4] davening properly. It further 5] affects the proper performance of Mitzvos, eliciting a zombie-like element in their performance. Rav Moshe also presents the idea that 6] elicits within the user a stronger desire for things, and explains that this is one of the problems associated with a Ben Sorer U Moreh, the rebellious son discussed in Dvarim 21:18. Rav Moshe further explains that it is an 7] abnegation of the Mitzvah of Kivud Av v’Aim, as well as 8] a violation of the Ramban’s understanding of Kedosim ti’hiyu, the commandment to be holy. 9] Finally, Rav Moshe writes that such activity induces the user to violate other Mitzvos in the Torah, thus increasing impurity in Israel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no less than nine very serious issues in which Vicodin/codeine/percecet/oxycodine/xanax affects a person. 1] It affects a person physically and 2] mentally. It further 3] prevents him from studying Torah properly and from 4] davening properly. It further 5] affects the proper performance of Mitzvos, eliciting a zombie-like element in their performance. Rav Moshe also presents the idea that 6] elicits within the user a stronger desire for things, and explains that this is one of the problems associated with a Ben Sorer U Moreh, the rebellious son discussed in Dvarim 21:18. Rav Moshe further explains that it is an 7] abnegation of the Mitzvah of Kivud Av v’Aim, as well as 8] a violation of the Ramban’s understanding of Kedosim ti’hiyu, the commandment to be holy. 9] Finally, Rav Moshe writes that such activity induces the user to violate other Mitzvos in the Torah, thus increasing impurity in Israel.</p>
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