Comments on: Porush: Shas Is Not a Chareidi Party

By: ujm

ujm — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:18:10 +0000

About Time: So you maintain the gedolim who condemned the Rambam were correct but that it is just that later gedolim reconciled themselves with living with the Rambam being accepted?

That is a very unique view you have that is not shared by the Gedolei Yisroel of today or yesteryear.

By: About Time

About Time — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:49:54 +0000

Lior,

“even if some gedolim said not at the time (i.e. Rambam, Chasidim, Rav Shmuel, etc. ”

You woefully underestimate the gedolim of yesteryear.

You seem to assume because they later reconciled themselves to a new reality, that means they originally erred.
( A new reality which their opposition helped create).

That is hardly the case

By: Lior

Lior — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 05:02:29 +0000

Rav Shmuel’s most avid supporters are the Yerushalmis from Eretz Yisroel.

By: Lior

Lior — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 05:00:00 +0000

“About Time” The Litvish/Yeshivish oilem always held of the idea of eilu v’eilu. They also always held of the greatness of both Hillel and Shammai. The Rambam was also attacked by the gedolim in his era. The Reform and Conservative were attacked by the gedolim. Point is sometimes eilu veilua applies even if some gedolim said not at the time (i.e. Rambam, Chasidim, Rav Shmuel, etc.) and sometimes it doesn’t apply (i.e. Reform, Conservative, etc.)

By: About Time

About Time — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 01:26:09 +0000

It is also noteworthy that much of those avid supporters of Reb Shmuel

are anglos and americans:in other words Johnny-come -latelys’

By: About Time

About Time — Fri, 27 Feb 2015 01:13:36 +0000

stam a deya ,

Hate to show you your ignorance ,but there are sources such as
the Vilna Gaon (mishlei), that the leader of the generation does have a “monopoly”

By the way,how are you different from what the modern orthodox have been whistling for eighty some years?(And the chassidim before them?)

And who defines what a גדול is? anyone who puts up a shingle ?
What fun ! Before long virtually anyone with a few fans is entitled to secede and venture out on his own!

From a former admirer of Reb Shmuel who realizes that his “fans” have run amok
and rather akin to Bar Kamtza rather get their way or will painfully bring down the whole edifice

By: bklynmom

bklynmom — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 23:13:03 +0000

The belief is Peleg Bnei Torah will vote on Election Day.

By: stam a deya

stam a deya — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 22:13:34 +0000

This מוצאי שבת is supposed to be a mass gathering for them. Others have told me that they number closer to 50,000. I guess we will see how many come! Reb Shmuel is no small fries himself. No one גדול has a monopoly on דעת תורה contrary to the rubbish you hear from the holy חצר in בני ברק consisting of עסקנים and opportunists. Every גדול is entitled to his own opinion without having his adherents kicked out of yeshivos, shuls, etc…NEVER HAS SUCH A THING HAPPENED IN HISTORY !!!!

By: About Time

About Time — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:34:20 +0000

Agreed.

Give UTJ credit for standing up arm in arm with them the past to couple years instead shirking them like an albatross.

So then UTJ should perhaps have made a deal with ..?

By: strictly yosher

strictly yosher — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:51:56 +0000

stam a deya…. get the facts straight!
The Peleg Yerushalmi is less than 7000 votes tops (you can’t count the 3000 Arab votes they bought in the mayoral election in Yerushalayim by promising to protect mosques etc.)
They can play a role now as the guarantee to an eighth seat for UTJ or as the spoilers. If UTJ gets that seat without them they will have accomplished nothing. In fact, if UTJ fails to get the seat the machlokes will be exacerbated beyond where it is now. If only this split-off would return to the mainstream olom hatorah all would be forgiven. How sad to see what is happening and otherwise fine Bnai Torah rebel against the Gedolei HaDor…