Looks like a big party;any photos. Seems like a pretty expensive event.
Many photos
I assume this should be a Happy event….yet not a single smile on any pictures! Looks more like Tisha B’Av accept for the musical instruments.
No women in Belz? Will they allow the bride to attend the wedding?
Smiling is assur.
It’s not a party any more than the aseres y’mei teshuva and Yom Kippur are! Getting married IS a time to celebrate, but so is, explains the Rabbeinu Yona, Yom Kippur. Starting on the road of haamadas ha’doros is a serious time, yet joyous time; one of reflection and teshuva, of commitment and connection. Traditionally – and unfortunately tradition is a concept that was lost in the Atlantic Ocean and was relegated to antiquated silliness by the second most famous fiddler (the one on the roof,the first one was Nero) – the songs sung escorting the chossen to his chuppah and those sung under the chuppah, were from the Yom Kippur davenning. Weddings are NOT about a new couple “starting out on their own”, sitting alone, without their parents in front of 500 people, or about singing aishes chayal to the kallah while everyone watches. It’s NOT about a 10 – 15 minute disco style introduction. Oy. Torah we have. Kashrus we have. Chinuch institutions and mosdos of chesed we have. It’s Yiddishkeit we are lacking, and for some it is sorely missed.
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It’s a “furshpiel” – singing for the chosson in preparation for his wedding. A serious time.
Oh wow….. shuali…. I’m sure your wedding would be a blast to attend. A wedding is not about the two starting out on their own?!? Are the couples which you are familiar with live together before marriage? Of course it is about them starting out on their own; a new journey, a new family, a couple which will begin to build a Bais Ne’eman Biyisroel. Singing Aishes Chayil to my wife for 120 years is a bracha I’d hope to share with any fellow Jew I meet. Next time you are in shul, remember that over the mechitza it’s not just a woman or your wife, but it’s your Aishes Chayil till 120.
I’ve never heard of a furshpiel before and as a big litvak I was all set to dismiss it in my mind. But I respected Shuali’s response, it made me think.
So a question to Shuali and belzer. Is there an aspect of a coronation here? Is this an unofficial coronation ceremony for the future dynasty?
And if yes , can jewishflorida respect the fact that if this was the coronation of a British Monarch you would understand the solemness of the event?
Frankly I don’t see how you can go wrong showing respect to other people’s traditions
#9, I’m not disregarding the solemness of this event. I am simply mentioning the purpose of value of marriage, in a Jewish light. We have the custom to fast because it is a mini Yom Kippur. We pray to have our sins forgiven, and start a new life, AND *starting out on their own* as a couple. To mention that the Jewish marriage is not about “sitting alone”, I’m a bit confused. The Yichud room is the symbol of sitting alone and exclusively.
@jewishflorida: I was probably not clear. Let me try again. There is an old minhag Yisroel to invite ones deceased relatived – parents r”l, grandarents, etc. – to the chasunah. This is to exlress our It’s not a party any more than the aseres y’mei teshuva and Yom Kippur are! Getting married IS a time to celebrate, but so is, explains the Rabbeinu Yona, Yom Kippur. Starting on the road of haamadas ha’doros is a serious time, one of reflection and teshuva. Traditionally – and unfortunately tradition is a concept that was lost in the Atlantic Ocean and was relegated to antiquated silliness by the second most famous fiddler (the one on the roof,the first one was Nero) – desire that we, as the new couple, should be granted the seichel ha’yashar and siyata diShmaya to continue the masorah our prvious generations. It is a time of relection and teshuva as seen by the chasson wearing a kittle and from the chazal that the chossen’s aveiros are all forgicenforgiven. .
are all forgiven *.
Of course there is dancing and singing, but the songs are sings of yearning for a relationship with HaShem and with His Torah.
Of course we sing Aishes Chayal which has zero to do with our wives and everything to do with the Torah, with those who learn it and with those who support it.
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Looks like a big party;any photos. Seems like a pretty expensive event.
Many photos
I assume this should be a Happy event….yet not a single smile on any pictures! Looks more like Tisha B’Av accept for the musical instruments.
No women in Belz? Will they allow the bride to attend the wedding?
Smiling is assur.
It’s not a party any more than the aseres y’mei teshuva and Yom Kippur are! Getting married IS a time to celebrate, but so is, explains the Rabbeinu Yona, Yom Kippur. Starting on the road of haamadas ha’doros is a serious time, yet joyous time; one of reflection and teshuva, of commitment and connection. Traditionally – and unfortunately tradition is a concept that was lost in the Atlantic Ocean and was relegated to antiquated silliness by the second most famous fiddler (the one on the roof,the first one was Nero) – the songs sung escorting the chossen to his chuppah and those sung under the chuppah, were from the Yom Kippur davenning. Weddings are NOT about a new couple “starting out on their own”, sitting alone, without their parents in front of 500 people, or about singing aishes chayal to the kallah while everyone watches. It’s NOT about a 10 – 15 minute disco style introduction. Oy. Torah we have. Kashrus we have. Chinuch institutions and mosdos of chesed we have. It’s Yiddishkeit we are lacking, and for some it is sorely missed.
#3
It’s a “furshpiel” – singing for the chosson in preparation for his wedding. A serious time.
Oh wow….. shuali…. I’m sure your wedding would be a blast to attend. A wedding is not about the two starting out on their own?!? Are the couples which you are familiar with live together before marriage? Of course it is about them starting out on their own; a new journey, a new family, a couple which will begin to build a Bais Ne’eman Biyisroel. Singing Aishes Chayil to my wife for 120 years is a bracha I’d hope to share with any fellow Jew I meet. Next time you are in shul, remember that over the mechitza it’s not just a woman or your wife, but it’s your Aishes Chayil till 120.
I’ve never heard of a furshpiel before and as a big litvak I was all set to dismiss it in my mind. But I respected Shuali’s response, it made me think.
So a question to Shuali and belzer. Is there an aspect of a coronation here? Is this an unofficial coronation ceremony for the future dynasty?
And if yes , can jewishflorida respect the fact that if this was the coronation of a British Monarch you would understand the solemness of the event?
Frankly I don’t see how you can go wrong showing respect to other people’s traditions
#9, I’m not disregarding the solemness of this event. I am simply mentioning the purpose of value of marriage, in a Jewish light. We have the custom to fast because it is a mini Yom Kippur. We pray to have our sins forgiven, and start a new life, AND *starting out on their own* as a couple. To mention that the Jewish marriage is not about “sitting alone”, I’m a bit confused. The Yichud room is the symbol of sitting alone and exclusively.
@jewishflorida: I was probably not clear. Let me try again. There is an old minhag Yisroel to invite ones deceased relatived – parents r”l, grandarents, etc. – to the chasunah. This is to exlress our It’s not a party any more than the aseres y’mei teshuva and Yom Kippur are! Getting married IS a time to celebrate, but so is, explains the Rabbeinu Yona, Yom Kippur. Starting on the road of haamadas ha’doros is a serious time, one of reflection and teshuva. Traditionally – and unfortunately tradition is a concept that was lost in the Atlantic Ocean and was relegated to antiquated silliness by the second most famous fiddler (the one on the roof,the first one was Nero) – desire that we, as the new couple, should be granted the seichel ha’yashar and siyata diShmaya to continue the masorah our prvious generations. It is a time of relection and teshuva as seen by the chasson wearing a kittle and from the chazal that the chossen’s aveiros are all forgicenforgiven. .
are all forgiven *.
Of course there is dancing and singing, but the songs are sings of yearning for a relationship with HaShem and with His Torah.
Of course we sing Aishes Chayal which has zero to do with our wives and everything to do with the Torah, with those who learn it and with those who support it.
shuali #6: Well said. Yasher Koach.