Comments on: Emanuel, Israel’s Little Rock

By: YonasonW

YonasonW — Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:16:36 +0000

Baal Boose (#1)Your cooments are a breath of fresh air. Although I suppose there must be cases of disadvantaged Sfardi children who are not be appropriate for the yeshivas at issue, the racial overtones and excuses are embarrassing.

In the United States Sfardi and Ashkenazic bochrim learn together in Yeshivas without a scintilla of problem. Moose613 is on the money when he compares the Ashkenazi parents’ protestations of “cultural differences” to those of White parents in 1956 Little Rock.

The “Protestant/Catholic” comparison made by student613 is absurdly ignorant – as is his further comment that Catholicism and Protestantism are the “same religion” – I only hope his knoweledge of Yiddishkeit and the larger umbrella of “Judaism” is not as lacking as is his knwledge of Christianity . . . if not, he’ll be writing that the Masoriti in Eretz Yisroel and Agudath are the same religion!

By: cccr

cccr — Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:45:31 +0000

Yup, and the courts in Israel are so integrated (LOL)???? How two-faced can you get?

By: iluyish

iluyish — Thu, 17 Jun 2010 13:33:14 +0000

Mr. Boose: I’ll be quite clear- I’ll put you down without bothering to answer your question. You seem pretty bent on berating your own Frum brethren, to go ahead and call them discriminators, before you analyze the facts on the street. I don’t believe this reflects to positively on your character or your agenda. Noone ever called home-schooling discriminatory . Until you. And the anti-religious Israeli High Court. It’s you and them. Clear enough?

By: student613

student613 — Thu, 17 Jun 2010 13:12:57 +0000

In any event, problems in religious education system are for the religious leaders to work out.

It is simply an attempt by the Israeli Supreme Court to change the status-quo and set precedent by ruling in area that it has never ruled before.

The Justices said quite clearly that the Israel Supreme Court is answerable to no one, no Gadol, not to halacha (also not to the Knesset). NO ONE can can oppose their authority and their is no appeal.

Unbounded judicial authority, which ventures into questions of politics or religion is a threat to any nation.

By: student613

student613 — Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:49:29 +0000

Toras Hashem temimah is important, and there is room to say that a group of people who don’t want their pre-teens to associate with other students who wear make-up, listen to MP3s, send SMS’s to each other and comparing internet websites — is also important to a Torah temimah education (emphasis on the word temimah).

Protestants and catholics ARE the same religion, by the way. Whatever it is, its not racism.

Ok, how about putting it this way, what would you say to the Supreme Court forcing American Indians who wanted to make their own school, to go to public school – and fine and jail their parents if they don’t. Since when is preserving a way of life the same as racism?

Also note that racism is generally connected with discrimination. Its not the poor parents of Emanuel who are keeping the sefardic community from better jobs and advancement in the universities, business and government. It is the secular Israeli culture. It is sheer turnspeak for the secular Israelis to heap the blame of discrimination on the religious.

Again, look up “Judicial Activism” in wikipedia

By: g73

g73 — Thu, 17 Jun 2010 11:54:28 +0000

student613 said, “This is more like a case of protestants being declined entry to a catholic school” to even make that comparison clearly demonstrates the problem. are our sephardic brothers thought of as a different religion?! chas ve’shalom! as a frum person I am embarrassed by what i view as racism! the only thing that should matter is toras hashem temimah, not weather or not you eat rice on pesach! hashem yerachem!

By: Moose613

Moose613 — Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:25:59 +0000

While I rarely agree with Mr. Margalit, this time I think he mis right. The parents in Little Rock used the same flawed logic the the parents of Emmanuel are using – the cultural “differrences.”
President Eisenhopwer did what he had to do, and, if necessary, the Israeli government should do the same iin order to stamp out this blantant racism.
Jews are Jews. The Nazis did not discriminate between Ashkenazim and Sephardim, neiother did any other persecutor.

By: student613

student613 — Thu, 17 Jun 2010 07:34:12 +0000

Actually an even better comparison is Protestants refusing to be forced by the Supreme Court to attend a Catholic school, and the parents receiving jail time for it.

By: UKbloke

UKbloke — Thu, 17 Jun 2010 07:12:21 +0000

er.. while I don’t really get what the big deal is with this issue, and am uncomfortable with protests and racism allegations, Boilin is wrong. Wasn’t it the ashkenazi chareim that helped found Shas, with Rav Shach giving support. also there were sephardi parties before there was a sephardi charedi party. The chiloni ashkenazi left wing was, and might still be, quite racist against sephardim.

By: student613

student613 — Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:47:16 +0000

The little rock comparison is not correct.

This is not a case of blacks being denied entry to a white schools.

This is more like a case of protestants being declined entry to a catholic school (le’havdil).

And this case is further complicated by the Judiciary trying to defund and disenfranchise the religious institutions in Israel. To seal secularism into Israel by law, as the demographics show the religious becoming the majority.

Look up “Judicial Activism” in wikipedia.