Comments on: Lalum Signs on Beis Din Arbitration Agreement

By: mw13

mw13 — Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:46:45 +0000

#13 – First of all, I believe that Chinuch Atzmai is overseen by the Gedolim. They obviously do not run the program’s day to day affairs, but I believe that they make all the big decisions.
Secondly: for the last time, there is no racism in Emanuel. Period. What happened was that the Slonimer Chassidim did not want to send their daughters to a school that was attended by girls that did not not have the same religious standards. Because these girls happened to be Sephardim, the Israeli High Court said this was racism, and did not allow the Emanuel parents to send their daughters to a different school. Now the Gedolim have led us in protesting the secular Israeli High Court deciding what schools chaeridim must go to.

By: Derech HaMelech

Derech HaMelech — Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:25:59 +0000

#13- it was mentioned many times in articles about this topic that there is something like 27% sephardim in this school. I wouldn’t be suprised if that was also the same proportion of frum sephardim in Emanuel.

In fact there is a video on Israel National News from Arutz 7 showing that one of the fathers going to jail was a Yemenite. As the father said, “a Yemenite is being taken in for racism, you understand?”.

If this was really about racism then prosecuting a Sephardi seems like a rather awkward way to go about fixing the problem.

There is no discrimination as was proven countless times. And Chas V’Shalom to think that the Gedolei Yisroel are not in control of the askanei Yisroel and Chinuch Atzmai- the project of the gedolim.

There are always dissenters, people who want to stir up trouble- but in this case we are not showing a lack of Achdus.

By: farfrumt

farfrumt — Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:02:32 +0000

#12- yes the american gedoilim are and always were committed to fund-raising for chinuch atzmai.fact. i just dont think that the israeli gedoilim shlita are REALLY in charge in this vital institution in eretz yisrael- because if they were i highly doubt that this would have ever happened. so to sum up- yes chinuch atzmai has the unanimous support of the gedoilim(U.S. AND Israeli). so i say the(israeli) gedoilim should be RUNNING chinuch atzmai not simply SUPPORTING the askonim who have turned a life saving institution into one of discrimination and one that knows not what a beis din is!

the gedoilim should take back the hijacked chinuch atzmai and declare ACHDUS WITH ACHEINU HASFARDIM BNEI HAYESHIVOS!

By: mw13

mw13 — Mon, 21 Jun 2010 03:48:40 +0000

#6 – “who put these people in charge in the first place?” Um… maybe the fact that it’s their school?
“they dont listen to the gedoilim” What are you talking about?! Chinuch Atzmai has the unanimous support of all of today’s Gedolim, just like it was unanimously supported by all the Gedolim of the previous generation. I personally recently attended a fundraiser for Chinuch Atzmai that was attended by R’ Shmuel, R, Reuven Feinstein, and other choshav Roshei Yeshiva. Please check your facts before you threw them out as the truth.

By: sechel hayoshor

sechel hayoshor — Sun, 20 Jun 2010 23:36:20 +0000

I don’t understand how lalum comes into the picture. Does he live in emanuel? What is his “eisek” with emanuel? He is a kovod fresser. Guaranteed he is running in the next knesset. This is all a ploy to get into the knesset.

By: smartaleck

smartaleck — Sun, 20 Jun 2010 23:25:56 +0000

Uhmmm…Yaakov Yosef withdrew, AFTER his father said he has no chelek in Olam Haba, and he says his reason is because of threats to his family…for someone in his present spiritual state, I’d say that face- saving lie is understandable, but pathetic.

By: Mordy

Mordy — Sun, 20 Jun 2010 23:11:38 +0000

This agreement means nothing if Side A(the Slonimer Chassidim) do not sign onto it. Furthermore, after having read the arbitration agreement (having zoomed in), I was shocked. It says that Yoav Lalum and Rav Yaakov Yosef acted according to Da’as Torah and can’t be categorized as “mosrim” (informers)!!! This is incredible. It bogglest the mind to suggest that the Beis Din knows nothing of the fact the the plaintiffs went to the SECULAR Supreme Court? Even Rav Ovadiah Yosef (the father of Rav Yaakov Yosef) described anyone who does so as a “moser!”. This Beis Din has lost any credibility. Now, after the Immanuel fathers are in jail, Lalum is willing to withdraw all petitions filed with the Supreme Court??What chutzpah! Isn’t it a little bit too late? He should have thought have that before. From what I read, he doesn’t even live in Immanuel! He did this on his own without any parent in Immanuel complaining to him. I think regarding this, we can say (Koheles 1:15)”Meuvas lo yuchal liskon…” -A crooked thing that cannot be made straight.

By: Mordy

Mordy — Sun, 20 Jun 2010 23:10:27 +0000

This agreement means nothing if Side A(the Slonimer Chassidim) do not sign onto it. Furthermore, after having read the arbitration agreement (having zoomed in), I was shocked. It says that Yoav Lalum and Rav Yaakov Yosef acted according to Da’as Torah and can’t be categorized as “mosrim” (informers)!!! This is incredible. It bogglest the mind to suggest that the Beis Din knows nothing of the fact the the plaintiffs went to the SECULAR Supreme Court? Even Rav Ovadiah Yosef (the father of Rav Yaakov Yosef) described anyone who does so as a “moser!”. This Beis Din has lost any credibility. Now, after the Immanuel fathers are in jail, Lalum is willing to withdraw all petitions filed with the Supreme Court??What chutzpah! Isn’t it a little bit too late? He should have thought have that before. From what I read, he doesn’t even live in Immanuel! He did this on his own without any parent in Immanuel complaining to him. I think regarding this, we can saw (Koheles 1:15)”Meuvas lo yuchal liskon…” -A crooked thing that cannot be made straight.

By: sechel hayoshor

sechel hayoshor — Sun, 20 Jun 2010 22:40:19 +0000

Lo muvan!!!!!!

By: farfrumt

farfrumt — Sun, 20 Jun 2010 19:44:53 +0000

#1 trying my best, i think you are wrong. this is the beginning of the teshuva process for 1) the askonim who kept the gedolim out of this somehow for years, 2) the rabanim and 3) batei din for not preventing this from getting to bagatz. this is the way it should have ended 4 years ago when it started.

this beis din has shown what i have been saying all along : yidishkeit has been hijacked by people who have their own agendas and have the power to manipulate the gedoilim

as the article says-”The decision-making authority will remain exclusively with the Av Beis Din, not with the principals of the school or talmid torah, or even with Chinuch Atzmai officials.”

i ask – who put these people in charge in the first place?- they dont listen to the gedoilim – do we want them being mechanech our children

-outraged