Comments on: Slonimer Rebbe Shlita: No Compromise, Not Even in Front of a Firing Squad

By: apushatayid

apushatayid — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:41:02 +0000

Actually (and having volunteered in the past for several anti-missionary groups I think this is a valid concern) the not yet frum are rather easy prey for folks like “jews” for j and the like. They say “look at what following rabbis gets you. Come to our school, no walls, wear what you want, eat what you want, do whatever you want on shabbos and feel free to mingle and make friends with our children.

By: yoheved

yoheved — Fri, 25 Jun 2010 03:31:43 +0000

to apushatayid: not to worry… the Lubavich will go in there and straighten things out… they’ve makareved worse…

By: apushatayid

apushatayid — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:38:18 +0000

This probably requires another thread, but something that has been at the back of my mind for as long as I have been reading about this story (no more than 4-6 weeks via YWN) is, how do frum yidden ever expect to me mekarev the not yet frum (I’m an optimist) members of the community? It has been stated as fact that a wall divides the girls and in general the girls dont mingle together. If these non frum girls never have exposure to frum girls, and worse, they are told via a wall that we want no part of you, how can we ever expect them to see the beauty that is yiddishkeit? The same way we are concerned that “they” may rub off on “us” the wrong way, “we” can rub off on “them” in a positive way. The entire situation the way it has spiraled wildly out of control has probably extinguished whatever hope there was of being makarev these girls and their families.

By: mw13

mw13 — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 14:25:16 +0000

#13 – “People must respect the court, even if we disagree with it’s decisions (which I also do).”
But how far should our obedience to the secular government go? Obviously if they decreed that we could not keep kosher, shabbos, etc. we would disobey them, as we have countless times in the past. When the government makes laws against the Torah, the Torah must win. So why shouldn’t we disobey the courts for the sake of our children’s chinuch?
(By the way, this is all a theoretical discussion seeing as the parents have all handed themselves in without a fight.)

By: UKbloke

UKbloke — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 08:51:17 +0000

I think the Rebbe might be fanning flames of this issue. the mothers went to prison for contempt of court, nothing else. People must respect the court, even if we disagree with it’s decisions (which I also do).

I am still a fan of the charedi world, but this whose parsha seems to be at odds with a charedi community shining the light of Torah on the rest of the Jewish people.

By: doneel

doneel — Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:05:48 +0000

The court’s decision was made by Judge Edmund Levy, who adjudicated the Yigal Amir trial and thus built the Rabin coverup; and the whole ruckus was initiated by the New Israel Fund, the poster child of the Peres Peace Center.

By: mw13

mw13 — Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:31:10 +0000

#10 – “FINALLY, SOMEONE WHO UNMASKS THE REAL CULPRITS WHO ARE PULLING THE STRINGS BEHIND THE SCENES… The New Israel Fund”
Somebody has before. As YWN previously reported:
“The Emanuel parents explain… Lalum, “despite his denials, receives funds from non-kosher sources, including the New Israel Fund”.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/Emanuel+School+Crisis/63023/Yerushalayim+Beis+Din+Cancels+Lalum+Agreement.html

By: deepthinker

deepthinker — Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:51:05 +0000

TO: “An Israeli Chareidi” (NO. 9):

FINALLY, SOMEONE WHO UNMASKS THE REAL CULPRITS WHO ARE PULLING THE STRINGS BEHIND THE SCENES.

The New Israel Fund (NIF), funded by the Ford Foundation, here in the USA, has sent in its lawyers from ACRI (the Israeli version of our ACLU)to create turmoil and chaos in the West Bank town of Emanuel.

It’s all part of their strategy to chase all the Jews out of the West Bank, so the Arabs can replace them.

The anti-Chareidi secular elements are delighted to participate in anything that would undermine the Hassidim.

Rabbosai, we need unity, NOW. We are, ALL OF US, BEING ATTACKED, both in Israel and, right here, in the USA (Rubashkin).

By: An Israeli Chareidi

An Israeli Chareidi — Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:39:39 +0000

Reply to minols:
In my opinion, the Rebbe was trying to show that because the court knows exactly what they’re doing it becomes a situation of Sha’as Shmad – requiring one to even give up one’s life should it come to that. Had the judges simply not understood, it would not require giving up one’s life.

Reply to farfrumt:
I can see you do not live in Eretz Yisroel. I would like to answer your question by explaining some obviously missing facts. No one in Emanuel has gone to beis din because no one had a problem.
The complaint was filed by a complete outsider who’s organization is backed by the infamous New Israel Fund (NIF). They are the same ones who look for, or invent, ‘human rights’ violations against Arabs or by the religious and bring them before the court.
What the people of Emanuel could prove to a beis din is completely irrelevant to the petition of this moser.
Still not convinced? The collapse of Cheftziba was the result of a very similar plot that dragged through the courts for years. That was also dead wrong. Unfortunately, an Israeli would not be the least bit surprised about something so obvious dragging out so long.

By: deepthinker

deepthinker — Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:28:41 +0000

Thank G-D for a true Godol BeYisroel and Torah Leader like the Slonimer Rebbe–I envy the Slonimer Chassidim who have such a truly great Rebbe.

He has a profound insight into the true nature of the Secular Kofrim Oligarchy who rule Israel with an iron hand.

We are, indeed, entering the last period before Moshiach, when the forces of atheism and immoraliity will try to totally extinguish the light of Torah. The Rebbe understands this, and, like the Chazon Ish before him, he is calling for mesiras nefesh–”Yeherag Ve’Al Yaavor!”