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		<title>By: Gideon ben Yoash</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gideon ben Yoash]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 04:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[His actions are a disgrace and I think we should pressure some public figure (say, rav Aviner) to call him out on making a chillul Hashem.  If there ever was a &quot;toaivah&quot; commited on behalf of yahadut, this man&#039;s actions certainly exemplify one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His actions are a disgrace and I think we should pressure some public figure (say, rav Aviner) to call him out on making a chillul Hashem.  If there ever was a &#8220;toaivah&#8221; commited on behalf of yahadut, this man&#8217;s actions certainly exemplify one.</p>
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		<title>By: Moshegren1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moshegren1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#14 Here is a quote from G-d too: 
Isaiah 58, paraphrased:  &quot;Why have we fasted,&#039; they say,
       &#039;and you have not seen it?
       Why have we humbled ourselves,
       and you have not noticed?&#039; 
 Is this the kind of fast I have chosen,
       only a day for a man to humble himself?
       Is it only for bowing one&#039;s head like a reed
       and for lying on sackcloth and ashes? 
Is it not to share your food with the hungry
       and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter—
       when you see the naked, to clothe him,
       and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood?&quot;

I think the last line I quoted is especially applicable for ourselves.  

As for making a Macha, that seems to be our community&#039;s response to everything. We have been making Machas for hundreds of years now against the secular.  Ask yourself if it&#039;s been a successful tactic.  We made Machas against secular education in our schools, against having the Rav&#039;s Drasha in the vernacular, against moving to America,etc. Did they work??  A macha in a situation like this has zero effect, it only serves to heighten tension. 

Yes, I agree, some of their leaders want to push our buttons by having the parade in Yerushalayim.  But consider Hillel Hanasi&#039;s  response to the man who tried to push his buttons. He didn&#039;t reject the man outright as you outrightly reject these people. He had a dialogue. 

#12- I don&#039;t need a source to tell me that our primary focus is bringing back our lost brothers, any more than I need a source telling me it&#039;s forbidden to cut off my arm. 
Imagine if a family lost a young child in a violent storm- Do you think the child&#039;s older brother would focus on making his bed and keeping his house warm and cozy in case the child somehow finds his way back on his own The older brother would be the first one out in the storm searching desperately for the child, his own safety irrelevant. 

We should be out in the storm, not shutting ourselves in our cozy house.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14 Here is a quote from G-d too:<br />
Isaiah 58, paraphrased:  &#8220;Why have we fasted,&#8217; they say,<br />
       &#8216;and you have not seen it?<br />
       Why have we humbled ourselves,<br />
       and you have not noticed?&#8217;<br />
 Is this the kind of fast I have chosen,<br />
       only a day for a man to humble himself?<br />
       Is it only for bowing one&#8217;s head like a reed<br />
       and for lying on sackcloth and ashes?<br />
Is it not to share your food with the hungry<br />
       and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter—<br />
       when you see the naked, to clothe him,<br />
       and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the last line I quoted is especially applicable for ourselves.  </p>
<p>As for making a Macha, that seems to be our community&#8217;s response to everything. We have been making Machas for hundreds of years now against the secular.  Ask yourself if it&#8217;s been a successful tactic.  We made Machas against secular education in our schools, against having the Rav&#8217;s Drasha in the vernacular, against moving to America,etc. Did they work??  A macha in a situation like this has zero effect, it only serves to heighten tension. </p>
<p>Yes, I agree, some of their leaders want to push our buttons by having the parade in Yerushalayim.  But consider Hillel Hanasi&#8217;s  response to the man who tried to push his buttons. He didn&#8217;t reject the man outright as you outrightly reject these people. He had a dialogue. </p>
<p>#12- I don&#8217;t need a source to tell me that our primary focus is bringing back our lost brothers, any more than I need a source telling me it&#8217;s forbidden to cut off my arm.<br />
Imagine if a family lost a young child in a violent storm- Do you think the child&#8217;s older brother would focus on making his bed and keeping his house warm and cozy in case the child somehow finds his way back on his own The older brother would be the first one out in the storm searching desperately for the child, his own safety irrelevant. </p>
<p>We should be out in the storm, not shutting ourselves in our cozy house.</p>
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		<title>By: YITZCHOKY</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[YITZCHOKY]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The mayor of Yerusalem should allow the gay parade that is only and this requirement must be included, only they march in Vatican city, Mecca and on the temple mount. The parade is done with adgatation from outside Eretz Yisrael.
Check and see if Uri Regev is also involve the head of the
reform movement. He would do anything and I mean everything to go and make trouble for the Charedi. When the gays but i really have a better world march in the Vatican we will see how liberal the world is. Why are the marching in Yerusalem every year. Go to tel aviv the home of the liberals. Remember an empty barrel with one marble makes a lot of noise]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mayor of Yerusalem should allow the gay parade that is only and this requirement must be included, only they march in Vatican city, Mecca and on the temple mount. The parade is done with adgatation from outside Eretz Yisrael.<br />
Check and see if Uri Regev is also involve the head of the<br />
reform movement. He would do anything and I mean everything to go and make trouble for the Charedi. When the gays but i really have a better world march in the Vatican we will see how liberal the world is. Why are the marching in Yerusalem every year. Go to tel aviv the home of the liberals. Remember an empty barrel with one marble makes a lot of noise</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Squappstien</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Squappstien]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Moshegren1:
Here&#039;s a quote from G-d:
כב וְאֶת-זָכָר--לֹא תִשְׁכַּב, מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה:  תּוֹעֵבָה, הִוא.
כט כִּי כָּל-אֲשֶׁר יַעֲשֶׂה, מִכֹּל הַתּוֹעֵבֹת הָאֵלֶּה--וְנִכְרְתוּ הַנְּפָשׁוֹת הָעֹשֹׂת, מִקֶּרֶב עַמָּם.
22. You shall not lie with a male ... it is an abomination...


...Verse 29: For anyone who will do any of these abominations, their souls shall be cut off, those who do these things, from among their people.

Notice how Hashem is saying that they will be cut off eternally?  Yes, that&#039;s in the next world, but you see that there are consequences to this action of theirs. There are consequences in this world as well - and they are doing it to themselves. We can and should be nice to them as people, but we should just let them prance and skip around the holy city of Yerushalyim. There is something called a micha&#039;a, that is what Pinchas did, and that&#039;s what the Deputy Mayor wants to do. Kol Hakavod!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moshegren1:<br />
Here&#8217;s a quote from G-d:<br />
כב וְאֶת-זָכָר&#8211;לֹא תִשְׁכַּב, מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה:  תּוֹעֵבָה, הִוא.<br />
כט כִּי כָּל-אֲשֶׁר יַעֲשֶׂה, מִכֹּל הַתּוֹעֵבֹת הָאֵלֶּה&#8211;וְנִכְרְתוּ הַנְּפָשׁוֹת הָעֹשֹׂת, מִקֶּרֶב עַמָּם.<br />
22. You shall not lie with a male &#8230; it is an abomination&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;Verse 29: For anyone who will do any of these abominations, their souls shall be cut off, those who do these things, from among their people.</p>
<p>Notice how Hashem is saying that they will be cut off eternally?  Yes, that&#8217;s in the next world, but you see that there are consequences to this action of theirs. There are consequences in this world as well &#8211; and they are doing it to themselves. We can and should be nice to them as people, but we should just let them prance and skip around the holy city of Yerushalyim. There is something called a micha&#8217;a, that is what Pinchas did, and that&#8217;s what the Deputy Mayor wants to do. Kol Hakavod!</p>
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		<title>By: emoticon613</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 09:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i like!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like!!</p>
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		<title>By: the voice of reason</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[the voice of reason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do not know what sources you have that indicate that the primary focus of frum Jews is to seek to create goodwill and positive PR with secluar Jews. I would think the first thing we should focus on is protecting ourselves from perverse secular infulence. In todays world it is hard to put on a nice face and still be utterly repulsed by the ideas of the parade. Our lack of action and protest will weaken our own reslove.

In modern orthodox circiles there are people who ahve begun to look for creative Halachik solutions to the Torahs outright rejection and repultion of this &quot;way of life&quot;. If we are too tolerant we could C&#039;V end up there too HASHEM YIRACHAIM!!!!!!!

So maybe it is not so bad to be a &quot;radical&quot; from time to time]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know what sources you have that indicate that the primary focus of frum Jews is to seek to create goodwill and positive PR with secluar Jews. I would think the first thing we should focus on is protecting ourselves from perverse secular infulence. In todays world it is hard to put on a nice face and still be utterly repulsed by the ideas of the parade. Our lack of action and protest will weaken our own reslove.</p>
<p>In modern orthodox circiles there are people who ahve begun to look for creative Halachik solutions to the Torahs outright rejection and repultion of this &#8220;way of life&#8221;. If we are too tolerant we could C&#8217;V end up there too HASHEM YIRACHAIM!!!!!!!</p>
<p>So maybe it is not so bad to be a &#8220;radical&#8221; from time to time</p>
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		<title>By: the voice of reason</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[the voice of reason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You write &quot;I urge you to consider the secular Jew’s perspective. They are raised from birth to be tolerant of many different lifestyles, the “Toeiva” being one of them.&quot;

Why are they holding this parade in our holy city? 

I will let you in on a secret- they know we find it very offensive and they want to make the point that in the Jewish religous capital they will parade around in support of their values. If they were really honest about tolerance they would respect that we find it repulsive.

In case you are not aware western goverments, liberal media, the great bastions of modern day teaching i.e. ivy league school, all are very respectfull of Muslim values.

Maybe vilonce works????????????]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You write &#8220;I urge you to consider the secular Jew’s perspective. They are raised from birth to be tolerant of many different lifestyles, the “Toeiva” being one of them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why are they holding this parade in our holy city? </p>
<p>I will let you in on a secret- they know we find it very offensive and they want to make the point that in the Jewish religous capital they will parade around in support of their values. If they were really honest about tolerance they would respect that we find it repulsive.</p>
<p>In case you are not aware western goverments, liberal media, the great bastions of modern day teaching i.e. ivy league school, all are very respectfull of Muslim values.</p>
<p>Maybe vilonce works????????????</p>
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		<title>By: Yerushalmit</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yerushalmit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know if it is true, but I read someplace that Rav Eliyashiv, SHLITA, agreed to Pindrus idea... 

I hope all those who wrote against will surrender to Das Torah, after all Rav Elyashiv, SHLITA knows all that they wrote and still thinks there shoudl be some kind of Mechaa (this yr the route was lenghtened)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if it is true, but I read someplace that Rav Eliyashiv, SHLITA, agreed to Pindrus idea&#8230; </p>
<p>I hope all those who wrote against will surrender to Das Torah, after all Rav Elyashiv, SHLITA knows all that they wrote and still thinks there shoudl be some kind of Mechaa (this yr the route was lenghtened)</p>
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		<title>By: NineTwo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NineTwo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 04:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#8, not one word he wrote was in defense of that lifestyle.  I think you should be more careful when reading before you attack someone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8, not one word he wrote was in defense of that lifestyle.  I think you should be more careful when reading before you attack someone.</p>
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		<title>By: velicher choosid</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[velicher choosid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 01:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ahem &quot;Moshegren1&quot;. There used to be a comment-er that always spoke up in defense of the Ballei Toevah (G-d&#039;s term, not Yeshiva World&#039;s).
Are you by any chance illini?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahem &#8220;Moshegren1&#8243;. There used to be a comment-er that always spoke up in defense of the Ballei Toevah (G-d&#8217;s term, not Yeshiva World&#8217;s).<br />
Are you by any chance illini?</p>
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