Comments on: Japan Trial Update 10/19/10 (Yoel Zev ben Mirel Risa Chava)

By: mlberg

mlberg — Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:12:53 +0000

Any further news from the trial?

By: m in Israel

m in Israel — Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:13:32 +0000

Shlomo 2, actually your facts are completely incorrect. These boys were told (by this “family friend”) that in fact it was completely legal, and all the proper taxes, etc. would be taken care of. The hidden compartments were supposedly a protection against theft. In fact a part of the defense of these boys was that they did not appear to make any effort to hide themselves i.e. they entered together, etc., and were not acting guiltily in any way. In addition they passed lie detector tests which included questions relating to the fact that they did not conceive that someone would take advantage of another yid in such a way. Their defense is basically that they are extremely naive and trusting. This may be a problem, and perhaps there is room to discuss the ways in which people can be educated without being overly exposed, in order to prevent future such incidents, but that is irrelevant retroactively. All of this information is easily available if you do a simple google search (look for news articles, not blogs or opinions from equally uninformed individuals)

By: John Doe

John Doe — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 23:03:51 +0000

Mr Shlomo 2 comments #1,3 and 7, you keep stating to correct you if you’re wrong. Well, you’re very wrong. Learn basic Halachos of being Dan-L’kaf Zchus, and maybe you’ll stop sounding like a self hating Jew.

By: 1hocker

1hocker — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:41:00 +0000

#s 4 & 7

the problem is that Bochurim are STILL taking things for other people weather they know them or not…
I’m learnong in eretz yisroel for a while & have noticed that there are bochurim that would trust just about anybody with yarmulka on they’re head…

By: jwrite

jwrite — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:38:17 +0000

to #5 –
the tehillim teleconference is at 9:00 PM
call 718-258-2008, choose option 9 and then selection 9
guest speaker is Rabbi Ephraim Eliyohu Shapiro
or call 732-905-9909, ext 132 for more info

By: Shlomo 2

Shlomo 2 — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:20:22 +0000

I find it fascinating that people here are still talking about not “taking things from people you don’t know and trust.”

That might be an excellent policy in general, but what does it have to with the case of these bochurim?

They knew the person and trusted that they would be paid $5,000 to smuggle something for him. They thought it was antiquities, but it turned out it was drugs.

Perhaps the message should instead be “Don’t smuggle things and think you won’t get caught.”

Again, please correct me if I’m wrong

By: LSH

LSH — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:41:23 +0000

Because you posted, I donated.

By: smilingrps2

smilingrps2 — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:17:55 +0000

please provide information for the tehilim teleconference tonight, thanks

By: HaLeiVi

HaLeiVi — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 15:49:16 +0000

I think people figured out already not to take things from someone you don’t know and trust. My hope is that when they get back they should be able to return to and cope with, normal life.

By: Shlomo 2

Shlomo 2 — Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:31:35 +0000

To Zionflag:

I thought that they knew the rules about smuggling antiquities and knew they were breaking them, but didn’t think that they’d get into such big trouble if caught and didn’t know it was really drugs.