Comments on: Bais Yaakov Yerushalayim Expels Nine Girls for ‘Non-Kosher’ Cell Phones

By: bir

bir — Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:21:15 +0000

this is so not true!!!!!!!!!111 my granddaghter goes to that school – it’s not BJJ and only 2 girls got sent home for a week – if you don’t know alll the details – dont write the story!!!

By: brisker35

brisker35 — Mon, 01 Nov 2010 02:03:45 +0000

I am boruch hashem happy to see finally a normal person write something in” yitzyy” and” m in israel” to the rest of u WAKE UP and mix out of what the mechanchim decide make sure u won’t be burning in hell for ur “lishem shamayim” bein adam lichavero issues especially if I said u are absolutely oblivious and ignoramice concerning chinuch issues usually people like u like to harrass every time a mechanich disciplines a student due to some inner tormoil or frustration over ur obvious depressing childhood hopefully one day u will grow up

By: Ein.Yerushalayemer

Ein.Yerushalayemer — Sun, 31 Oct 2010 23:49:24 +0000

As a past and present LIBERAL parent of girls in the said school I can say this: First of all, anyone who has internet including me, has no business commenting because from the start they disagree with the schools official ideology, and the school has the right to set it’s own agenda. 2. Non Kosher cellphones are VERY destructive and should be rooted out – basically I agree with Brisker35.
3. HOWEVER, the end does not justify the means, KGB tactics will only turn the girls off. 4. Don’t worry, nobody’s shidduch will be ruined. 5. BEleive me I know first hand. Regardless of this story, the Hanhala of the school DEFINITELY has no clue about what chinuch is. B”H I have great girls not BECAUSE of the school, But DESPITE the school.

By: yitzyy

yitzyy — Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:28:04 +0000

First of all, as has been pointed out by a number of comments, we do not know the entire story, and/or history that went on here, and with these girls in general, so for all of you people cursing out the mechanchim and mechanchos who enforce the rules in their schools, what happened to YOUR dan lekaf zechus, and ve’ahavta le’reicha kamocha??
And if the school has a very public and well announced zero tolerance for “non-kosher” cell phones, why can’t they throw out a girl who balatantly and openly disregards a rule that they knew about about?
We may disagree with the rule, but shouldn’t a school be entitled to make and enforce a rule, even if you don’t like the rule?

As far as this being what is going to “send people off the derech” I would guess that parents disrespecting the institutions, and their leaders is far more likely to have a deleterious effect on the way students turn out. But I guess the honored commenters on YWN know more than the combined total of all the rabbonim in EY, and only they have the right to decide how the schools should be run, and what rules should be enforced…

By: mom in israel

mom in israel — Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:59:47 +0000

brisker- I sincerely hope your harangue was sarcastic. Even for a Brisker, you went way overboard.
As a BY girl whose class was called “rotten apples” by the principal of the school, I can testify that this was not the method of chinuch which turned us on to yiddishkeit. When we got out of that school (elementary) and went to a more open-minded (also BY) high school, we were a lot happier and frum-wise healthier. If you are a mechanech as your post implies, please tell me where NOT to send my children as chinuch such as yours does not work!

By: m in Israel

m in Israel — Sun, 31 Oct 2010 09:01:53 +0000

It is clear that most of the individuals who posted here do not live in Israel. Although I don’t know anything about this particular case (and I don’t live in Yerushalayim), the Rabbonim here in Israel have spoken out very strongly against what are called here “non-kosher phones”, which in addition to texting have internet capabilities and cameras — which the “kosher phones” do not. To my understanding it is the internet in particular that is of great concern to the gedolim and mechanchim who made these rules — not the texting — here in Israel you cannot turn of the internet capabilities of a regular phone (in the US I was able to call my carrier and request that I do not want internet access on my phone — here if you want to avoid internet you must get a “kosher phone”, which also has no texting or camera). In other words, the problem isn’t that she texted, it’s that the text proved she had a phone that also had other forbidden features. “Kosher phones” are marketed as such, are available from all the cell phone providers here, and are voice only phones, thereby preventing your child (or yourself) from having complete, private, and unlimited internet access from anywhere they go via their phone. (I am talking about the local plans – I don’t know what is available on “tourist” phones or the travel phones American seminary girls get. This story, as mentioned by a previous poster, is not about the BJJ seminary [which previously had classes in the Bais Yaakov building, hence the shared name] but about the Israeli high school Bais Yaakov Hayashan) In any case, there is something strange about this story, as I cannot believe a normal 12th grader in Israel would be so stupid as to accidentally announce in front of a teacher that she received a text. The kosher phone issue is not a minor rule hidden somewhere in a 40 page student handbook! It is very well publicized, which leads you to wonder what the background to this story is. Is this a girl who has a previous history of conflict with the school administration, or a history of flaunting the breaking of school rules? Why do we all assume that the administration and teacher did not think this through, ask appropriate shaalos, etc? Obviously expelling a student is a very serious issue,one which has been referred to by many gedolim as deciding “dinai nefoshes”, but how can everyone decide on the basis of a sketchy news article what the right move is? Particularly people who are not familiar with the system in a different country! And to flippantly say that these mechanchim and mechanchos, who are responsible for educating literally thousands of high school girls (do any of you have a concept of the size of the Bais Yaakov Hayashan?), and who presumably have poskim and rabbanim who they consult with who have all the details of each case, will “go to gehinom” or “deserve to be expelled themselves” or “have clearly been oiver vehavata lereacha kamocha” smacks of arrogance and ignorance. I’m not even quite sure the purpose of such an article. . .

By: brisker35

brisker35 — Sun, 31 Oct 2010 02:39:31 +0000

To the poor fellow who requests I spew my nonsense elsewhere I appreciate that u show me that my message really hit home and with a BANG as well sorry to wake you up to the reality and instead of getting anoyed get realistic good luck

By: daboss

daboss — Sun, 31 Oct 2010 00:33:28 +0000

#30, BRISKER: Please do the world at large a favor and go spew your nonsense elsewhere.

#21, you’re absolutely corect.

I deal with these poor unfortunate individuals who were singled out and destroyed over rectifiable issues. Let me tell you, they all have the same stories to recount, it’s sad. Then you wonder……

By: michaelbardaniel

michaelbardaniel — Sun, 31 Oct 2010 00:09:55 +0000

To #30: brisker35

Please can you explain why you defined a Yiddisher girl who used a cellphone as ‘garbage’.
Please also explain how someone who has clearly been oiver veahavta lereacha kamocha is a hero who is marbitz torah

By: Aishes Chayil

Aishes Chayil — Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:59:16 +0000

29,

Your right! I would never take a shidduch like that for my daughter.

However, when a girl gets kicked out of a seminary, no matter how ridiulous the reason, it becomes a stigma right away……