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	<title>Comments on: Prisoner&#8217;s Diet Sparks ‘Who Is A Jew?&#8217; Debate</title>
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		<title>By: basmelech</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 01:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wasn&#039;t talking about this particular prisoner. I meant any real Jew who is incarcerated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t talking about this particular prisoner. I meant any real Jew who is incarcerated.</p>
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		<title>By: 600 Kilo Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[600 Kilo Bear]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[However, so long as the food consists of bread, water, macaroni and a single hot dog Shabbos morning, it is OK with me that a non-Jew who abducted a 13 year old girl gets kosher food.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However, so long as the food consists of bread, water, macaroni and a single hot dog Shabbos morning, it is OK with me that a non-Jew who abducted a 13 year old girl gets kosher food.</p>
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		<title>By: YonasonW</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nechomah (#3) - your comment that Thomas Feldheim &quot;...figured he could probably get a tastier meal if he requested kosher food...&quot; is pure comnjecture on your part, not supported by anything in the article.

  ZachKessin (#6) - Au contraire.  Feldheim was being held in a county detention facility under the oversight jurisdiction of the New Jersey Department of Corrections...the government was feeding him, and the government had do determine whether or not to consent to his request for Kosher food.  The goverment&#039;s decision to base that determination on the &quot;authenticity&quot; of underlying religious conviction is proper...how to get to that answer is a conundrum faced by any correctional system in this country, and sometimes by the military.  

   That said, you can no more expect the State to base their opinion al pi Halacha, than you can expect them to base it on what you and see as Conservative or Reform nonsense...the State is neither a Frum nor a Conservative organization.  

   All the State can do is base the decision on the inmate&#039;s self identification with a &quot;faith,&quot; supported then by some statement from recognized clergy of that faith that the inmate&#039;s position is consistant with tenets of the faith.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nechomah (#3) &#8211; your comment that Thomas Feldheim &#8220;&#8230;figured he could probably get a tastier meal if he requested kosher food&#8230;&#8221; is pure comnjecture on your part, not supported by anything in the article.</p>
<p>  ZachKessin (#6) &#8211; Au contraire.  Feldheim was being held in a county detention facility under the oversight jurisdiction of the New Jersey Department of Corrections&#8230;the government was feeding him, and the government had do determine whether or not to consent to his request for Kosher food.  The goverment&#8217;s decision to base that determination on the &#8220;authenticity&#8221; of underlying religious conviction is proper&#8230;how to get to that answer is a conundrum faced by any correctional system in this country, and sometimes by the military.  </p>
<p>   That said, you can no more expect the State to base their opinion al pi Halacha, than you can expect them to base it on what you and see as Conservative or Reform nonsense&#8230;the State is neither a Frum nor a Conservative organization.  </p>
<p>   All the State can do is base the decision on the inmate&#8217;s self identification with a &#8220;faith,&#8221; supported then by some statement from recognized clergy of that faith that the inmate&#8217;s position is consistant with tenets of the faith.</p>
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		<title>By: 600 Kilo Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[600 Kilo Bear]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rabbi Carlebach is the prison chaplain, which is a position that many Chabad shluchim hold both for outreach and to supplement their very unsteady income. Therefore, he is indeed the one whom the state should ask for advice in such matters.

The state has every right to root out fraudsters who want kosher meals because they are better or served faster. Keeping in mind that most prisoners are sociopathic, that is probably what motivated this non-Jew to request kosher food.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rabbi Carlebach is the prison chaplain, which is a position that many Chabad shluchim hold both for outreach and to supplement their very unsteady income. Therefore, he is indeed the one whom the state should ask for advice in such matters.</p>
<p>The state has every right to root out fraudsters who want kosher meals because they are better or served faster. Keeping in mind that most prisoners are sociopathic, that is probably what motivated this non-Jew to request kosher food.</p>
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		<title>By: ny100k</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course the ACLU is only getting involved because he&#039;s not a real jew.  If he were a real jew who was denied, the ACLU would stay far.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the ACLU is only getting involved because he&#8217;s not a real jew.  If he were a real jew who was denied, the ACLU would stay far.</p>
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		<title>By: ZachKessin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ZachKessin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It should be pointed out that the only Rabbi mentioned in this story is Chabad. 

I personally feel that the State of New Jersey (or any other) should not have a stake in deciding who is or is not Jewish, just as I would not want the State to decide what is or is not kosher.  That way lies a very large can of worms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be pointed out that the only Rabbi mentioned in this story is Chabad. </p>
<p>I personally feel that the State of New Jersey (or any other) should not have a stake in deciding who is or is not Jewish, just as I would not want the State to decide what is or is not kosher.  That way lies a very large can of worms.</p>
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		<title>By: MDG</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The state made a decision based on the advice of an expert.  He gave his opinion when asked and they followed it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The state made a decision based on the advice of an expert.  He gave his opinion when asked and they followed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dovid_from_Modiin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dovid_from_Modiin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He got a ruling from the reform movement that he is Jewish.  The only problem is the reform movement believes that Jews have no requirement to eat kosher.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He got a ruling from the reform movement that he is Jewish.  The only problem is the reform movement believes that Jews have no requirement to eat kosher.</p>
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		<title>By: Nechomah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nechomah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Basmelech, it&#039;s obvious from the article that it was NOT a Jew who committed a crime, rather a non-Jew born to a Jewish father who thinks he is Jewish and figured he could probably get a tastier meal if he requested kosher food.  Maybe he will actually become closer to Yiddishkeit while in prison, as the prisoners who develop a relationship with the chaplain of their &quot;chosen&quot; faith often have more privileges than the average prisoner, but by then he will hopefully come to realize that unless he undergoes a kosher giyur, he is a goy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basmelech, it&#8217;s obvious from the article that it was NOT a Jew who committed a crime, rather a non-Jew born to a Jewish father who thinks he is Jewish and figured he could probably get a tastier meal if he requested kosher food.  Maybe he will actually become closer to Yiddishkeit while in prison, as the prisoners who develop a relationship with the chaplain of their &#8220;chosen&#8221; faith often have more privileges than the average prisoner, but by then he will hopefully come to realize that unless he undergoes a kosher giyur, he is a goy.</p>
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		<title>By: basmelech</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[basmelech]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just because a Jew did something wrong and landed in jail, does not mean that he is now absolved of keeping all the commandments.A Jew in jail still has to eat kosher. Of course that is if he is really Jewish, by birth or conversion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because a Jew did something wrong and landed in jail, does not mean that he is now absolved of keeping all the commandments.A Jew in jail still has to eat kosher. Of course that is if he is really Jewish, by birth or conversion.</p>
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