Comments on: Israel: Suicide of Chareidi Youth Raises Questions

By: Rabbi MFuerst

Rabbi MFuerst — Sun, 20 May 2012 10:46:52 +0000

A very close friend of mine lives next door to this family and he spent the day of the levaya supporting the father. He said the person fainted into his arms several times. There is no question in my mind that the Rebbeim and Menahalim involved in this and all of these cases are Rotzchim ! We see many statements in Chazal which equate embarrasing a person in public with murder, is it any different when a student is shamed in from of his peers ? My own son has suffered terribly due to the fact that he is a “C” stream boy. He is actually brilliant but he has severe reading problems as well as ADHD and therefore doesn’t “fit in” to the mold which the average boys fit into. He is only 13 and we are bending over backward to give him love and support and with H’s help we will find a path for him. However, the “cheder” he went to did tremendous damage to him simply through neglect and conditioning which subconciously gave him the message that he is a “nothing” because he is not in the mainstream. I agree with the comment that this is the burning issue facing the Klal and should be the subjet of this Kinus.
As for the comment about the unblalanced nature of the article, anyone who has been where I have will understand the tipshus of suggesting that someone should have interviewed the Rebbe and the Menahel.

By: Some Common Sense

Some Common Sense — Wed, 16 May 2012 12:44:54 +0000

This is very painful issue where the parents are made to feel helpless and everyone funnels through the principal. Despite giving them the benefit of the doubt, this is their RESPONSIBILITY just like any other job! How can they keep their jobs when the BOSS (HaShem) requies them to take care of this charges especially when their charges are not a client’s account but rather Jewish souls and future generations!

Question: what happened to the oath we all swear at Har Sinai to be responsibile for each other especially in this Galus surrounded by ever increasing anti-Semitism?

Question: What happened to not throwing our children and making them OTD by the way they are treating through this process?

Question: What happened to these individuals, who push themselves as being role models, to actually being role models and ensuring that no child is told no and rather yes to their #2 or #3 option?

Question: What happened to the idea of Chillel HaShem in that we are treating our most treasured gift as rags for disposal if they “don’t fit in” or some other untangible rational?

Question: How many of your children’s Rebbe davening for their students every day not you know of?

A few thoughts to await your respond.

By: rgbutler

rgbutler — Wed, 16 May 2012 11:18:11 +0000

Unfortunately this is a “just so” story. It has may everyone fell justified and thus is popular even among those who are appalled by the story. I decline to believe the story as presented. If it hasn’t been picked up by the mainstream media, it is unlikely to be true. And please don’t give me the loshon hara excuse for concealing the biographical details, there is enough laitanus, loshon hara, sinas hinam in the story and comments to fuel Gehinnom’s fires for the next few days.

By: brooklynhocker

brooklynhocker — Wed, 16 May 2012 01:59:24 +0000

Too many problems and not enough problem solvers. This story is tragic on so many levels. We can speculate all we want whose fault it is, at the end of the day the Principles and Rebbeim can’t be so stoic as to think his suicide is not partially their fault. It’s your fault, and my fault for allowing their egos to determine a child’s spiritual growth- it’s not Das Torah. From this article it seems like “Y” was thrown away like damaged goods. How many “Y’s” do we know of in New York? What are YOU now going to do about this?

By: voosmachstee

voosmachstee — Tue, 15 May 2012 21:37:01 +0000

#5, you’re wrong. Teachers aren’t magicians. Some students can be impossible. Try being that good mentor when there are 20-30 other people in the class and a student is out of control. I agree with # 19.

By: yakmlamed

yakmlamed — Tue, 15 May 2012 21:34:07 +0000

this news is tragic but a little help from parents would do wonders take your child after school and do some homework or learning with them even just a shmooz and it will do wonders for them it is YOUR PRECIOUS NESHOMO and you care the most for your child I have a problem child in my class when I asked him when his father learned with him last he couldn’t remember Please spend time with your children this will give them the boost they need

By: 1st timer

1st timer — Tue, 15 May 2012 21:17:17 +0000

Why are the yeshivas killing our children? Every time they turn away a kid because he doesn’t fit the exact criteria to be in their yeshiva theyre putting another kid in a sakana. I was once told by a menahel (when I requested a room to house a specia Ed class) that “we don’t want boys like this”. What does that mean? Boys that are trying their best, with fine middos, dress nicely, come from balabatish homes, but are not Aleph students! Don’t they deserve to be treated like their friends? If you’re not in the business to help all children, then “get out of the business, QUICK!

By: uneeq

uneeq — Tue, 15 May 2012 20:07:33 +0000

I’m not surprised. One of my more innocent friends (never saw a movie or listened to a goyish song) got thrown out of yeshiva for having a cellphone, way back when all cell phones were kosher by default. He ended up going way off the derech, living a life of drugs and whatnot before he finally returned. And my other friend was forced to wear a white shirt on shabbos or else they would have thrown his sister out of school. Abuse for the heck of it.

By: Old Faassioned Jew

Old Faassioned Jew — Tue, 15 May 2012 19:20:15 +0000

If there is ever any case of abuse that one knows about never hesitate to call the police. Don’t have false Rachmonus on the perpetrator have REAL rochmonus on the victims which may increase every day the perpetrator is not behind bars. If someone is not able to control theselves that way they are a Rodef, and the best place for them to be for their own sake too is behind bars.

By: ashleigh

ashleigh — Tue, 15 May 2012 19:19:33 +0000

This is so tragic… but such treatment is nothing new. I don’t know how or if everyone is oblivious to such things (bullying by school authority), or everyone just turns a blind eye to avoid dealing with this problem. Why do we need such a terrible incident to shed light on this ongoing issue?? I’ve had a teacher call me an “apikores” for asking a question about Yiddishkeit. That’s just one example of many. For those of us who do survive the frum schools’ messed up system, you don’t really forget such things… and these remarks sure don’t help anyone be / stay frum. It is so heartbreaking that we had to lose another one.