Comments on: Admorim Preparing to Travel Abroad to Enlist Support Against Chareidi Draft Law

By: The Chassidishe Gatesheader

The Chassidishe Gatesheader — Sat, 21 Dec 2013 19:08:09 +0000

I sure hope the “private jet” thing is a mistake, misunderstanding, or something like that.

EasyJet should do fine for Tel Aviv – London. And from there the cheapest airline should do fine.

As straightshooter says – “The kollel guys are starving. save money and give it to the kollel guys”. Allow me to add that not only ‘kollel guys’ can be in a difficult situation; so can many others.

I myself am OK now, B”H, but like many I wouldn’t be able to survive a single month without my salary.

By: JoMo

JoMo — Thu, 19 Dec 2013 14:01:50 +0000

BarryLS1 – Perfectly Stated

)I wonder if the mod will let this one through)

By: BarryLS1

BarryLS1 — Thu, 19 Dec 2013 09:41:12 +0000

Lets look at this objectively, through the eyes of the masses, who really don’t understand all the issues involved. What will they see? They will see a group of people demanding government benefits but refusing to work and refusing to participate in societal requirements that everyone else must do.

The only thing they will accomplish is make an enormous Chillul Hashem and give more fodder for anti-semites.

Maybe if they had any seichal this wouldn’t be as much a problem. They are against people who are NOT learning from going into Frum units in the IDF, or even doing the alternative, community service, which would take place in their own communities. If you want to take from society, you have to contribute to it on some level.

Plenty of people do lots of Chesed in their communities, would it be so difficult to do it in an official capacity that would fulfill the government’s requirements at the same time, thereby removing the growing hostility toward them?

By: El Maggid

El Maggid — Thu, 19 Dec 2013 09:36:05 +0000

#13–Speak for yourself about “our lowly understanding” and “disrespectful to question what tyhey are doing.”
I am a Jew and we, the Jewish people, are not robots and cultists. We question everybody and everything. Especially, these admorim who want their students by their sides and are afraid to let them go to the army. It’s called NOGEI’AH BEDOVOR.

By: EY Mom

EY Mom — Thu, 19 Dec 2013 07:07:06 +0000

#12:
And I am shocked that people still buy into the baloney that the leftist media sells.

First of all, drafting yeshiva bachurim and heads of families working are two separate issues.

In the closest thing Israel has ever had to a constitution, David Ben Gurion signed what was called the Status Quo Agreement, which states, among other things, that those engaged in full-time learning will be eligible for draft DEFERMENTS.

In other words, deferments for divinity students and clergy. Something that every civilized nation with a mandatory draft always provided (in the case of the U.S., for most of the period where there was a mandatory draft, divinity students got an exemption, not just a deferment).

Now, for the work issue. The vast majority of the chareidi tzibur has at least one spouse working. Why, in the leftist eyes, working women are not counted if they are chareidi is a mystery. And, after a certain age, most chareidi men work. Many might be melamdim or maggidei shiurim, but they are working. But in the leftist media, male teachers also do not count as working men if they are chareidi.

As for the “share the burden” ploy – if sharing the burden is so crucial, why are Israeli Arabs EXEMPT from army service as conscientious objectors, yet they still receive all the benefits of citizenship, while full-time learning bachurim are being denied the right to deferments which was explicitly given to them by the founding father of the State of Israel?

Can anyone say, agenda?

By: daas balebatim

daas balebatim — Thu, 19 Dec 2013 05:49:25 +0000

When are they going to seat down and try to find a solution to the problem in place of protesting all the time.

By: Ken Zayn

Ken Zayn — Thu, 19 Dec 2013 03:08:31 +0000

#12 of course we had armies in tanach but we only fought when the navi said. This is incomparable to modern israel run by at best irreligious and and worst torah hating jews, some of whom only keep/agree with one mitzva in todays world… Yishuv eretz yisrael, and to hell with the rest of the torah and those who study it

By: rabbiofberlin

rabbiofberlin — Thu, 19 Dec 2013 01:04:33 +0000

1818=I hope you are being sarcastic and tongue in cheek,because if you believe in what you wrote , it is even more distressing to contemplate!

By: akuperma

akuperma — Wed, 18 Dec 2013 23:45:10 +0000

1818: You seemed to have missed the part about how those wars ended. The Jews weren’t strictly about mitsvos. The the government oppressed the Bnei Navi’im (today’s eqiuvalent of hareidim – didn’t work, were full time into yiddishkeit). And how did the wars end? Galus. Finish up your Taanach. You’ll see that when Jews play soldier instead of concentrating on Torah and Mitsvos, the end isn’t very pretty. Today it is the Bnei Yeshiva who are shouldering the burden of defending Eretz yisrael. Only they are preventing the destruction of the yishuv – the guys running around with rifles aren’t doing a share and are for the most part making things worse by not being frum (for the most part – I know there are some frummies in the IDF, though not in important positions).

By: M

Wed, 18 Dec 2013 21:19:35 +0000

Guys!! These are very great admorim, part of the great Moetzas Gedolei Yisrael, so of course what they are doing is right, and we, in our lowly understanding can only try understanding what they are doing, but of course we can never criticize it. It is disrespectful to question what they are doing. Of course they thought of all of these issue.