Comments on: Nature Reserves Officials Filing Complaints Against Bnei Brak Yeshiva Bochrim

By: yichusdik

yichusdik — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:56:11 +0000

Mrs L.: We are held to a higher standard than the Palestinians. When we don’t meet our obligations to Hakodosh Boruch hu, he will bring us lower than all the umos haolom – half of what we read in the Neviim warn us of this. Our obligation – and our leaders know this – is to live a Torah life of ahavah, not sinoh. Of open doors to our brothers and sisters, not high fences that we fling our refuse over. If we are blessed to live in Eretz Yisroel, we must remember that the very hills and mountains are witnesses for our character. If we abuse them, and abuse those who protect them, we are making a poor case in the beis din shel maalah.

It also seems to me that your concern for markjeremy’s name is untoward. Do you think it makes an iota of difference to a man’s character or lineage if he goes by an english name? Do some research. Find out where names like Feivel, Feivush, bendet, mendel and many others come from. When you find out that the heilige name Feivish comes from the Greek sun-god Phoebus Apollo, you won’t be so quick to judge.

By: Mrs. L

Mrs. L — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:19:56 +0000

to markjeremy,

Never, ever say we are worse than Palestinians. And by the way, what name were you given at your bris?

By: markjeremy

markjeremy — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:11:10 +0000

yichusdik,
there is no stirah between being a talmid chacham and a mentch…they are one and the same.

the problem is that we’re not teaching this

By: MiMedinat HaYam

MiMedinat HaYam — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:08:23 +0000

add to previous post:

the problem is that their rabbonim (the chaperones mentioned) dont do nothing about it!

it meaning their behavior AND their lulav hagazul!

and since they do nothing about it, they are also responsible!

By: MiMedinat HaYam

MiMedinat HaYam — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:06:38 +0000

to yichusdik:

since you mention it, these are often the same people who take brush, branches, etc from such nature preserves (and other private property) without permission. they claim its “leshem mitzvah”. but they conveniently forget its “lulav hagazul”.

By: yichusdik

yichusdik — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:16:28 +0000

I see that even the usual apologists are staying far away from this one. Perhaps there is a dawning realization that when we spend our days teaching these boys how much space there can be between pieces of schach and not about simple menchlichkeit, we do them and all of klal yisroel a disservice.

By: rabbi108300

rabbi108300 — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:03:07 +0000

only teach gemara thats how you make burim!!1

By: whatswrongwithus

whatswrongwithus — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:40:29 +0000

It’s time to start teaching our children what bishvilie nivra haolam means.

By: yichusdik

yichusdik — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:32:05 +0000

Good. These young men need to see that their irresponsible and dangerous actions have consequences. And who was it who found and rescued a number of yeshiva bochrim who were hiking in the desert without enough water last summer? Secular guides from the chevra l’haganat hateva, just like these they threw stones at. A shande. Don’t they teach derech eretz in our yeshivos anymore? Will one of our leaders please take some achrayus for this plague?

By: markjeremy

markjeremy — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:21:23 +0000

What kind of b’nai torah are we raising?
Pelting people with stones?
My 4 year old knows better.
We are worse than the palestinians.