Comments on: Eretz Yisroel: A Child’s Hunger – A Painful Cry

By: gamzultova

gamzultova — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:08:08 +0000

I think people who are in kollel need to understand that a lot of the backlash they are seeing in these comments isn’t due to a respect for Torah or kollel, it’s because many of the gvirim who are giving ma’aser are lying awake at night wondering how they are going to pay their mortgages or their rent and if they will be out in the street. Others, so many others, who live in chutz l’aretz are literally crying wondering how they are going to pay tuition for their own children to learn Torah. We’re turning the thermostat down in the cold winter so our bill will be small enough to pay it. Like you we’re eating meat only for Shabbos, sometimes only one meal, and we’re looking at every other area to keep our families financially afloat. And that’s with one or two adults in the family working struggling to find time for their own Torah learning.

So, while you look to us to have rachmanus on you, have a little rachmanus on us at the same time.

By: yashrus20

yashrus20 — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:40:29 +0000

Things in judiasm don’t come easy, thats why we get alot of schar cuz we have to earn it. So b/c there are so many men in kollel hashem is puishing us?? i dont think so. Why cant it be another test. Some will go left and say we need jobs, and some will fight through. Reb shloimi Zalmen had days where he didnt know where tom. food was coming from. And the hishtadlus is the gong to to the gevirim. Its not somchin al hanes its leaning and knowing theres a possiblility of money coming. Its called betachon!

By: Truehonesty

Truehonesty — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:06:35 +0000

Another point, you balabatim are missing – there are many avreichim here in EY who do private tutoring either to young boys who need the extra help and stimulation, or to bochurim generally from chutz lo’oretz who need the help too. With the economic situation as bad as it is, many parents from both groups are cancelling these private rebbes as they cannot afford them anymore. Even yeshivos are shrinking their staff to save costs and these avreichim who acted as mayshivim in the evenings etc have lost a large portion of their income. The attacking attitude of so many of the comments is sad and unfair and generally stems from preconceived notions that have little connection to reality. Maybe some of these “well-meaning” people would like to come to a yarchei kalla in EY and see firsthand what is really happening here…..

By: johny

johny — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:19:51 +0000

hey anonymous! you say everyone agrees- tell me one gadol with you? and i will take responsibility, actually the mishnah is by saying al shloshah devorim… besides, get a little open minded and take note of an important point you ALL seem to be missing. are you aware of what it does to a yungerman going out to work? from a sheltered surrounding he goes to -worst case scenario- manhattan!just the train ride is enough to take him down a few notches in ruchnius. so you say not manhatten, just a yeshivisha office. how many ladies work there? can you honestly say youre on the same madreiga as these avreichem?? even if they dont learn but just sit in beis medrash warming benches, and lead simpler lifestyles, even that is the greatest thing in hashems eyes. oy! meh hayah lanu that our generation has come to having ppl that speak like you!!

By: Monsey Review

Monsey Review — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:02:38 +0000

#12 – Do you think Avreichim learning is a new phenomenon that started last year and Oops – it’s not working – let’s all go to work? People have been learning Torah throughout all the generations – since it was given to learn (even before) and they had a lot less money (and no America!) then! We will continue as they did . . .
And to everyone – all you people who don’t learn and don’t understand the importance of it, realize that he’s in the same boat as all the other people “working” and lost their job! You’re telling him to learn a trade and go get a job – he’s just like any one of the many people that have just lost their jobs! He needs money like everyone else!!! What do you say when someone’s working and lost his job? You don’t criticize him then! Only when someone’s learning you find what to criticize!!

By: frumimaof3

frumimaof3 — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:47:25 +0000

I don’t think anybody here doesn’t approve of kollel. however, here in EY there are ppl who do it just b/c they are afraid to be looked down upon, not because they truly believe that Torah is their lifeline.

By: William

William — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:20:20 +0000

Johny.

Are you implying that you are willing to accept responsibility that every single person that is sitting and learning right now and is living off of the community funds is supposed to be doing so?

There are clearly not enough community funds to go around and it is people like you that are defending a broken system that are exacerbating the problem.

Everybody agrees that there needs to be a contingent of young people that are learning in kollel. It has gone way beyond that and morphed into a normative lifestyle choice for an overwhelming majority- which there is absolutely no makor for anywhere in Chazal.

We must have rachmanus and do everything that we can to help people that need it, but the way we are going, the system is going to collapse.

Hatzlacha.

By: johny

johny — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:24:54 +0000

“al shlosha dvorim haolam omeid”!!! did u 4get the first is TORAH? just cuz u were “bench sitters” and didnt have the “zitz fleish” to learn, u need to ease ur concience by PUTTING THEM DOWN!!!? its a shame ur an adult allready but cant even face urself. Torahis1 is right, we should excersize action, and part from ur greedy money.shame i cant help, though i’m an american like you that story above is my life too. and if u dont want to give, ur money i certainly DONT want. “harbeh shluchim lamakom” Good luck in the next world of truth.

By: GottaHaveEmunah

GottaHaveEmunah — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:22:51 +0000

#18 is so right. How do I know? Because I’m in that situation. Here…in America. I was in business and never took any handouts, and I still don’t want to. The job market is very tight. In E”Y it’s definitly worse. I think that things have to change for almost everyone, no matter where you live.

By: enough already

enough already — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:05:33 +0000

Hashem yerachem !!! ….have pity on these poor people!!! …. stop with the ” let them get jobs ” nonsence!!! …. it is our responsibility to keep them learning!!!! …they are keeping us alive and not the other way around!!! ….i do all i can when these people come to my door for tzedakah ….we all sould do what we can. dont forget ,they are doing us the favor and not the other way around!! … people should have rachmonus on them and their families and stop with the finger pointing !! …what happened to klal yisroel?!?!?