Comments on: PHOTOS: A Look at the Israeli Scene on Independence Day 61

By: minkymalka

minkymalka — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 04:45:04 +0000

Azi, Aron Fink is right. It is NOT a day of celebration. Hashem GAVE US THIS GIFT,? what? a country whose “Declaration Of independence does not include g-d’s name?” (this quote comes from a goy)and whose bus terminal in Tel Aviv displays ads for prophylactics? for EVERYONE to see? Y’shmo Herzl,didnt even want to set up shop in Palestine,he wanted to go to UGANDA. You think hashem had this in mind when he promised to the Avos that he will give the land to their offspring? or that Bar Rafaeli will bring honor and kovod and a kiddush hashem to the country,while appearing on the cover of Sports Illustrated? Nah, I dont think so. The land is,and was,and will remain holy forever. But unfortunately the STATE is another (sad)story. The secular zionists have nothing to be proud of, Oh yeah! except the annual Gay parade. Shucks,almost forgot about that one. Shalom.

By: Softwords

Softwords — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:20:52 +0000

אין דבר חדש תחת השמש

There is nothing new being posted here. The the Pro-state will remain Pro-state and all those anti will remain anti.

I see no reason for anyone to ask mechila from the other side (as one post suggested) unless he has made offensive comments to individuals. To state that the Medina is anti-Torah for example is attacking the government officials and those in power. It is not an attack on religious zionists that believe that we should be happy with an nonreligious Jewish government.

The religious zionist believe that the UN declaration for a Jewish state was a miracle and we should praise Hashem for giving us the land. They believe that this is the beginning of the Geulah and they believe in the land.

Others disagree with this view. Their arguments vary from group to group and are too extensive for this post.

When Moshiach comes all sides will become obsolete and none of us will care or think twice about who was right and who was wrong. The Ohr Haganiza will be brought out and enlighten us with Torah and knowledge of Hashem. Our only focus at that time will be to increase our D’vekus to Hashem.

With this in mind, why wait? Let’s stop the foolish bickering and insults posted above and focus on D’vekus B’Hashem.

You want to say Hallel? G’zunta Heit! You want to say slichos? G’zunta Heit! The rest of us will carry on saying tachanun and hopefully will have G’zunta Heit!

אלה ואלה דברי אלוקים חיים

By: moti107

moti107 — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:09:12 +0000

pasheter yid
check out my reply at news title
Israel Memorial Day 2009

By: stan the man

stan the man — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:01:15 +0000

how many of these residents know about what it means a jew?? how many people did this mdina make into secular jews? —-
Since the kiruv movements have begun through Aish, Ohr Sameach, Lev Achad, Peylim, Arachim, Bayit Yehudi, Ayelet Hashachar and tons more (which all receibe $$ from the medinah) many more Jews in Israel have become shomer shabbos than in America.
The teshuva movmt in Israel is huge and much easier to accomplish than anywhere else. Thank you Israel.

Rv SZ Auerbach & Rav S Eliyashuv (who is a son in law of R. Aryeh Leib, shaddchan was Reb Tzvi Yehudah KooK) were in awe of the gadlus of Rav AYH Kook and embraced his greatness of ahavas chinom.

By: MDshweks

MDshweks — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:42:10 +0000

Pashuteh Yid [16],
You are definately very “Poshut” and shallow.

People in Europe became secular not because of the Europians but because of Jews like the Maskilim and Zionists. That is a fact. NO ONE became a Maamin because of Zionism, unless it’s a counter reaction – like saying we shouldn’t talk against Haman or Amaleik because we got such Emunah through them….

Your last statement is rediculous. Yes, a lot of Yidden folowed Zionism not knowing what it really stands for. Good Yidden. and we do have Hakoras HaTov to them for many reasons. But does that mean we needed them? if yidden would have stayed loyal to the Torah we wouldn’t need to fight those wars all together! [R' Chaim Shmuelevitz said a bochur should give his seat on the bus to a soldier out of gratitude, but he also said that the religous zionists are wost then the non religous...]

By: MDshweks

MDshweks — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:27:27 +0000

to azi [10],
Have you learned Massechet Avoda Zara 11a and the poskim there? It is forbidden for a jew to adapt gentile ways of celebration etc. Besides, you know good and well that this was not instituted by loyal jews, but quite the opposite. The Torah jew, who is the real, functioning jew, is not any more independent in Israel than he is in America or was in Europe.

By: lovetorah

lovetorah — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:02:29 +0000

Pashut: Everything HaKadosh Baruch Hu does is good. Its not for anyone to judge if the state is good or bad, no one here can say what will bring the Geulah, no one EVER can judge another Yid for his way of doing his OWN Avodas Hashem. Its not for us to do or say any of these things, only Hashem. So stop this bickering about nothing, and start bring Klal Yisroel together. To separate the family is the last thing that we need.

By: lovetorah

lovetorah — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:55:24 +0000

It is not for anyone to say what will bring the Geulah, it is not for anyone to say whether the state of israel is good or bad, it is not for anyone to say how another person does his or her avodas Hashem is correct or incorrect. It is not for any of you to say. the bottom line is HKBH gave us Eretz Yisroel, its not up to us to judge. if He gave it, it was for a reason. Whatever that reason is, its not up to us to figure it out. So lets bring Klal Yosroel together again and stop bickering about nothing. Just do ratzon Hashem, whatever that means to you. Everything Hashem does is good.

By: just4urinfo

just4urinfo — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:14:46 +0000

If I remember correctly (& I am quite sure I do) when I was in Kol Torah & Rav S.Z. Aurebach zt”l was the Rosh Yeshiva not only did we NOT say tachanun on Yom Ha’atzmut but there was also displayed an Israeli flag on the roof (& that I am sure of)!!

By: AE

AE — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:05:55 +0000

Clearly there are legitimate g’dolim on both sides of this issue and everyone has a right to follow their rabbonim. We should all be careful to not write or say anything that denegrates g’dolei torah. Kol tuv.