Comments on: Anti-Mehadrin Women Activists: Time to Move from Words to Actions

By: bastar86

bastar86 — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:35:31 +0000

To create a new company is almost impossible. Egged BOUGHT the lines from the city- that means no other bus company can have the same routes as Egged. They can travel on part of the routes, but cannot follow the exact route- Now how that would work for trying to get through Geulah or other areas- I’m just not sure.
Unless egged wants to start a sub-company for mehadrin only lines- but they might as well just keep any Alpeh line a mehadrin line and be done with it.

By: a_gutte _vort

a_gutte _vort — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:29:16 +0000

Chaveirim- nice try, but there’s NOTHING to misread. It’s a one sentence long tshuva written in response to a page and a half long shaila, trying to convince him to pasken in favor of separate buses. I quoted the ENTIRE tshuva in my previous post. Why don’t you look it up next time, instead of making a fool out of yourself pretending that you are such a great expert on Rav Sonnenfeld’s zt”l opinion? I’m telling you what he wrote. In fact since you claim to be so familiar with the sefer, why don’t you post the next shaila on page 201, so we can all see if you really looked it up or not. I won’t hold my breath.

Additionally, as an self-professed expert on the opinions of “Gedolim” both living and dead, it seems odd that you haven’t been informed about the fact that the “Gedolim” would rather that you ride on a normal bus like the Chazon Ish did, than have you go on the internet. Since you do whatever the gedolim say,even if it’s not “assur per se” I hope that this will be the last time we hear from you. But I won’t hold my breath about that either.

By: bastar86

bastar86 — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:07:10 +0000

For those who say there is not halahic basis- where do you get this information from?
As far as I see it, there are two main issues of non-mehadrin lines.
1) the Issur for a man to look at a women
2) the issur for a man(or women) to walk/sit between two women of the opposite gender.

Ok, so the 1st one can be solved by the man not looking up from his Sefer.
But what about the 2nd issur? How else can a man not be over on this issur on a non-mehadrin line? Or is our generation so low, that so many of us just dont care about this Mitzvah?
I understand the rebbeim in America being matir on this subject(as they rule for an entirely different population, with entirely different circumstnaces), but if it can be prevented- as it can in Israel- then should it not be prevented? Can we follow a psak that was given for one community if another community is so different than the first?
The shavous edition of Mispacha had a beautiful article about the sons of Rav Moshe Feinstein, ZTL. Rav Reuven was asked if his fathers psaks can be used across the board. He responded(this is not a direct quote) that each person needs to ask his own rav and own psak and that what his father wrote in his responum were purely so people could see his logic- not an overall heter or chumra for the entire world.
I think this is an important lesson for all of us, when it comes to any psak we hear about.

By: Avreich Man

Avreich Man — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 06:06:35 +0000

Charlie Hall:

When you know full well that Maran has said explicitly that he supports mehadrin buses, to ask for responsum that say it is asur to ride a bus is a blatant dodge. It is nothing short of reform rabbi thinking.

You insult your black hat if you have one.

By: happy1027

happy1027 — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:10:22 +0000

I think that if the chardeim want there own busses, they should just get the money and do it themselves, the only problem is egged seems to have a monopoly and does not want that happening. There is defentialy some sort of compromise that has to come out but i do not see any of that happening until each side has some respect for the other.I also think that the women should be in front and just put up a mechita so the men cannot see them but I also think that you cannot force this on anyone in a secular society. I guess we will have to see how this all plays out

By: chaverim

chaverim — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 03:07:36 +0000

#19: You completely misread it; it is in fact the precise opposite. Please look it up. Rav Yosef Chaim ztv’l was a big proponent of public separation.

#20: It isn’t “assur” to ride on a mixed bus. Nor is it “assur” per se to walk by the beach during the summer. Yet the Gedolim ztv’l and shlitta are clear that we must take as many steps as attainable to avoid or minimize these types of settings.

That is why the Gedolim support, and always have, mehadrin buses. Not because non-mehadrin buses are “assur” per se.

By: a_gutte _vort

a_gutte _vort — Sun, 31 May 2009 21:13:36 +0000

I recently read a tshuva from the early Yishuv’s in E’Y by no less than Rav Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld zt’l, responding to those who wanted to institute Mehadrin coaches, pressing Rav Sonnenfeld with all the usual ‘taynos’ we see today. His response? “The ikur is – Don’t look around, and if you have a sefer, look into it” But we’re obviously much more heilig than him! Look it up – Shalos u’Tshuvos Shalmos Chaim – pg 200

By: chaverim

chaverim — Sun, 31 May 2009 19:32:35 +0000

Yasher koach Avreich Man/16.

Well said.

By: doniels

doniels — Sun, 31 May 2009 09:06:18 +0000

If you read the original, it states:
She explains there are a growing number of complaints from women who have fallen victim to abuse on buses on which passengers demand they sit in the rear.

Again: complaints from women who have fallen victim to abuse on buses!!!

If these holier-than-thou fellows would behave themselves, then fewer people would mind and even fewer people would support the “anti” crowd.

- Signed by a FFB whose frum senior-citizen mother was manhandled on a Mehadrin bus while trying to help her son come on board with 3 little kids. She had no intention sitting up front and there was no need to physically throw her off the bus.

By: Avreich Man

Avreich Man — Sun, 31 May 2009 05:38:00 +0000

Maran Eliashev and all our other great leaders, HaRav Kanievsky, Liefkowitz, and so on, have all poskened in favor of mehadrin buses.

These people on this site who oppose mixed buses are opposing our great leaders. And they call themselves charedim? What a chillul haShem.

The mehadrin buses are vital to tznius in clal Yisrael. People who fight them are fighting for the yetzer hara…