Comments on: High Court Orders Hechsher for Messianic Jewess

By: good2bfrum

good2bfrum — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:17:22 +0000

First of all, I totally thought the same as #3 when I was reading this.
This all makes no sense.
If she doesn’t follow halacha in her own personal life, then how could anyone trust her keeping it inside her bakery? She already lied, so how could anyone believe that she’ll for sure comply with the rules set forth on her hechsher? If the rabbinute is suppose to be the head of the state’s religious doings, then how could the supreme court get involved?
This is ridiculous.

By: good2bfrum

good2bfrum — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:13:16 +0000

As I was reading this, I was thinking the exact same thing as #3.
None of this made sense.
How can you trust someone who doesn’t follow halacha in her own personal life? She already lied before, so how could someone trust she would follow these rules set forth on her hechsher? If the Rabbinute is suppose to be the head of the state’s religious affairs, then how could the supreme court over rule them? This is ridiculous.

By: veryinteresting

veryinteresting — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:39:38 +0000

What about separation of synagogue and state? Can the high court rule the Chief Rabbinate to train a non-jew for a bar mitzvah?

This idea of Xtian inspired “respect” for what is Jewish is total garbage and I say, “Thanks, but no thanks.”

This lady already does not hold to Judaism and does not understand what kashrus is. She should be found incompetent to receive a decision allowing her shops kashrus certification.

By: Turkeyneck

Turkeyneck — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:47:08 +0000

A heretic Jew is halachically less trustworthy than a non-Jew, for several reasons, among them the fact that the non-jew has respect for the Jews’ laws, and at least has not demonstrated contempt for them, unlike a heretic Jew, who shows contempt forTorah and has a clearly anti-halacha and anti-Rabbinic agenda.

By: akuperma

akuperma — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:41:48 +0000

#10 – The Rabbanut is more trusting of a frum Jew than of a goy. A frum Jew keeps kosher at home, and is assumed to be more able, and more inclined, to keep kosher in his store/restaurant. A goy needs more supervision. A frei Jew (one who specifically rejects Torah, and embraces an affirmative rejection of Torah and Mitsvos) is especially unreliable and especially in need of close supervision. The Hiloni courts rules that for a government hecksher, a frum Jew, a goy, and an openly anti-Torah Jews, must be treated alike.

By: SJSinNYC

SJSinNYC — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:17:48 +0000

This does confuse me – the rabbanut were willing to give a hechsher if she complied with their rules and she said no. Now the supreme court said they have to offer her the hechsher with rules? Isn’t that the same thing they offered to begin with?

By: mbachur

mbachur — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:47:17 +0000

when has the supreme court ever had a say in kashrus and torah

By: AinOhdMilvado

AinOhdMilvado — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:04:50 +0000

I remember what happened to a video store in Yirushalayim a few years back that was dealing in shmutz. How long will these bakeries go without the same result????

By: akuperma

akuperma — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:00:27 +0000

If you have a “state religion” then the state dictates the religion. No matter how conscientious a government rabbi is, he is still a civil servant working for a government controlled by a mixture of non-religious Jews and goyim.

The traditional Jewish method is democratic. People select their rabbi (by listening to him), and know comes around with armed police to force each other. If a Satmar in New York doesn’t want to eat something with a Lubavitch hecksher, no one in a fancy uniform with a gun will make him eat it.

By: Yitzi W

Yitzi W — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:21:26 +0000

In America there are many restaurants that are owned by nonjews, but have very strict hechsherim. For example in Baltimore, David Chu’s is own by a now jew but is under the hechsher of the Star -k. I’m curious why a jew who acts (or believes) like a non jew would be worse than a non jew?