Comments on: Kashrus in N. Israel – Open on Shabbos

By: Daniel Breslauer

Daniel Breslauer — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:17:45 +0000

There is no way such a place should be granted a hechsher.

In any case, we’re talking about Rabbanut here. Regular Rabbanut (probably heiter mechira, when applicable).

Which chareidi person eats in a Rabbanut restaurant anyway?

Just yesterday I went to a bris of a son of a secular family member in Tel Aviv, in a hall with Tel Aviv Rabbanut hechsher. My wife asked questions about the kashrus there. Asked about separation between basar and chalav (apparently they have both there), she was told that one can use the same microwave for meat and milk one right after the other, just not together. When she told them that one has to wait 24 hours (and clean it), she was told that this is nonsense and “this is not a Mehadrin place”.

A mashgiach could not be found and the workers and management were all seculars.

Now, which chareidi person volunteers to eat there? Don’t worry, it’s kosher, certified by Rabbi Yisrael Meir Lau (who YWN loves) in the name of the Rabbanut!u

By: YonasonW

YonasonW — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:25:08 +0000

Akuperma (#1) – You say “I would never eat there, and I wouldn’t trust anyone who gave them a hecksher.”

Think before you leap.. You are trashing effective supervision by many a choshev Vaad HaKashrus which regulates diligently non-Jewish owned establishments. Such may not be neccessary in the insular worlds of Boro Park, Williamsburgh, Flatbush, Lakewood or Monsey – but it is in the rest of the velt.

By: Yerusholaimer Yid

Yerusholaimer Yid — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:34:09 +0000

Hotels and Hospitals do have mashgichim that are there on Shabbos to make sure there is no chilul Shabbos in the kitchen.

By: yosse

yosse — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:47:50 +0000

i know that I’m missing something here. how do hotels and hospital restaurants operate on schabos
with a hechsher .

By: akuperma

akuperma — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:15:39 +0000

There are many kosher facilities open on Shabbos, and some even have frum customers (such as many Duncan Donuts that have hecksherim, are open 24/7, and are run by goyim considered trustworthy not to sneak in treff when we aren’t looking). Indeed one sign of a “dubious” hecksher(from a Hareidi perspective- the Conservatives probably them to be too strict) is the willingness to allow a restaurant to be open on Shabbos.

I would never eat there, and I wouldn’t trust anyone who gave them a hecksher. Few hareidim would eat there. But that doesn’t prove its treff.