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		<title>By: starwolf</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[starwolf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I would have liked to continue this discussion, but my post was not put through by the management. i am not sure why.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I would have liked to continue this discussion, but my post was not put through by the management. i am not sure why.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[starwolf,

If you are talking about &quot;the farther back you go&quot; (as you indicated), then surely it was debatable at the time if it was the best wisdom at hand to emigrate or not. And that is assuming there was where to emigrate to (even slightly further back in time) -- something for the vast majority of people there was not anywhere to go.

You referenced the White Paper. That was in 1939. Prior to &#039;39 the desire to emigrate off the European continent was not prevalent amongst the vast majority of Jews. Hence it was of little issue, and rarely was even a question. In the few times (even before &#039;39) that it was desired, the financial means and the immigration quotas (even prior to &#039;39) prevented most from pursuing it further, hence it still was rarely an issue presented to the clergy to even consider.

And like sammygol admitted, the spiritual dangers of emigrating may have exceed the physical benefit. In the few exceptional cases that this did come before the clergy, the Rabbi may have correctly decided that someone would better risk dieing a Yid in Europe than a shaigets in America (or wherever.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>starwolf,</p>
<p>If you are talking about &#8220;the farther back you go&#8221; (as you indicated), then surely it was debatable at the time if it was the best wisdom at hand to emigrate or not. And that is assuming there was where to emigrate to (even slightly further back in time) &#8212; something for the vast majority of people there was not anywhere to go.</p>
<p>You referenced the White Paper. That was in 1939. Prior to &#8217;39 the desire to emigrate off the European continent was not prevalent amongst the vast majority of Jews. Hence it was of little issue, and rarely was even a question. In the few times (even before &#8217;39) that it was desired, the financial means and the immigration quotas (even prior to &#8217;39) prevented most from pursuing it further, hence it still was rarely an issue presented to the clergy to even consider.</p>
<p>And like sammygol admitted, the spiritual dangers of emigrating may have exceed the physical benefit. In the few exceptional cases that this did come before the clergy, the Rabbi may have correctly decided that someone would better risk dieing a Yid in Europe than a shaigets in America (or wherever.)</p>
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		<title>By: starwolf</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[starwolf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 06:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[to Joseph (posts 90 &amp; 91)As to how many had the opportunity to emigrate, the farther back you go, the more opportunity existed. There was definitely opportunity to go to Israel before the white paper went into effect.

The Rabbanim did not act with the best wisdom at hand. The best wisdom at hand was advising to emigate--and this was done long before the gates were closed. 

It seems that the most far-sighted amongst aour people were the Zionists--they were the ones advising emigration--decades before the Nazis came to power. Those who listened--and their descendants--had a much greater probability of survival.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to Joseph (posts 90 &amp; 91)As to how many had the opportunity to emigrate, the farther back you go, the more opportunity existed. There was definitely opportunity to go to Israel before the white paper went into effect.</p>
<p>The Rabbanim did not act with the best wisdom at hand. The best wisdom at hand was advising to emigate&#8211;and this was done long before the gates were closed. </p>
<p>It seems that the most far-sighted amongst aour people were the Zionists&#8211;they were the ones advising emigration&#8211;decades before the Nazis came to power. Those who listened&#8211;and their descendants&#8211;had a much greater probability of survival.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 04:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#93,

I must agree with you for once. Your venom is indeed directed against all Torah Jewry -- litvish, chasidish, and anyone else with a different hat than yourself.

In fact I never attended a Satmar (or chasidic) school nor was a regular in any Satmar shul. My agenda is defending all of Torah Jewry, their Rabbonim and adherents.

Like I said, the situation you described was few and far between -- as such opportunity rarely existed. And like you admitted yourself, in those very few cases the advice was given with the best wisdom at hand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#93,</p>
<p>I must agree with you for once. Your venom is indeed directed against all Torah Jewry &#8212; litvish, chasidish, and anyone else with a different hat than yourself.</p>
<p>In fact I never attended a Satmar (or chasidic) school nor was a regular in any Satmar shul. My agenda is defending all of Torah Jewry, their Rabbonim and adherents.</p>
<p>Like I said, the situation you described was few and far between &#8212; as such opportunity rarely existed. And like you admitted yourself, in those very few cases the advice was given with the best wisdom at hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 03:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[# 88

Your hatred of Chasidim, especially Satmar, amongst others who don&#039;t wear the same hat as yourself, disqualifies you from being believed on (at least) such issues -- especially considering the untruthfulness you&#039;ve spewed about them in your two year comment history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 88</p>
<p>Your hatred of Chasidim, especially Satmar, amongst others who don&#8217;t wear the same hat as yourself, disqualifies you from being believed on (at least) such issues &#8212; especially considering the untruthfulness you&#8217;ve spewed about them in your two year comment history.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 03:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And for the &lt;b&gt;very very few&lt;/b&gt; who did have the opportunity, means, and desire to emigrate, there were very few in the clergy who advised those few individuals not to. Certainly this was atypical -- both in such opportunity, and in such advice. And in those very few exceptional cases, if such advice was given, it was made with the best wisdom at hand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for the <b>very very few</b> who did have the opportunity, means, and desire to emigrate, there were very few in the clergy who advised those few individuals not to. Certainly this was atypical &#8212; both in such opportunity, and in such advice. And in those very few exceptional cases, if such advice was given, it was made with the best wisdom at hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 03:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[starwolf, I&#039;m sure you&#039;re reading comprehension is better than that, than to come to that faulty conclusion (re: post 86).

2. As I mentioned, there was nowhere to emigrate to. Where could the Jewish masses have emigrated to after the advent of Hitler ym&#039;s? Nowhere, the doors were closed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>starwolf, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re reading comprehension is better than that, than to come to that faulty conclusion (re: post 86).</p>
<p>2. As I mentioned, there was nowhere to emigrate to. Where could the Jewish masses have emigrated to after the advent of Hitler ym&#8217;s? Nowhere, the doors were closed.</p>
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		<title>By: starwolf</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[starwolf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 02:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joseph,  are you saying (post 86) that people with your hashkafa believe in killing Jews?

Do you really expect people to believe that Rabbanim in Europe during the 1930s did not try to convince Jews in their communities not to emigrate?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph,  are you saying (post 86) that people with your hashkafa believe in killing Jews?</p>
<p>Do you really expect people to believe that Rabbanim in Europe during the 1930s did not try to convince Jews in their communities not to emigrate?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;What were the leaders of the Hareidi world doing for their fellow Jews during that time?&lt;/i&gt;

Attempting to stop the mass murder of European Jewry, but being obstructed by the zionists and reform.

&lt;i&gt;Who in the Jewish community was advocating that Jews leave Europe, &lt;b&gt;while they still could?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

They &lt;b&gt;couldn&#039;t&lt;/b&gt; leave, even if they wanted to. No doors were open for mass Jewish immigration after the advent of Hitler. Hitler offered the world to take the Jews off his hands, and the world told Hitler to keep the Jews.

&lt;i&gt;Who in the Jewish community was advocating that Jews stay?&lt;/i&gt;

There was almost no one advocating that, and what you are inferring is a known libel and slander against Gedolei  Yisroel ZT&#039;L.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What were the leaders of the Hareidi world doing for their fellow Jews during that time?</i></p>
<p>Attempting to stop the mass murder of European Jewry, but being obstructed by the zionists and reform.</p>
<p><i>Who in the Jewish community was advocating that Jews leave Europe, <b>while they still could?</b></i></p>
<p>They <b>couldn&#8217;t</b> leave, even if they wanted to. No doors were open for mass Jewish immigration after the advent of Hitler. Hitler offered the world to take the Jews off his hands, and the world told Hitler to keep the Jews.</p>
<p><i>Who in the Jewish community was advocating that Jews stay?</i></p>
<p>There was almost no one advocating that, and what you are inferring is a known libel and slander against Gedolei  Yisroel ZT&#8217;L.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 19:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As far as post #84 goes — 

starwolf, people with my hashkafa already provided Kastner with the thanks that he deserved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as post #84 goes — </p>
<p>starwolf, people with my hashkafa already provided Kastner with the thanks that he deserved.</p>
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