Comments on: R’ Yaakov Yosef to Arbitrate Emanuel Beis Yaakov Case

By: emoticon613

emoticon613 — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:35:53 +0000

and if they have issues with the school, so they should switch out THEIR kids, not get a whole faction expelled and permanently barred!

By: Baal Boose

Baal Boose — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:10:38 +0000

i am asking YWN EDITORS; would you be able to lay out the facts of the case?
I’ve heard so much, yey have no idea what the simple facts are.
Thank you.

By: farfrumt

farfrumt — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:03:17 +0000

# 3 rg- we are not falling for this nonsense.so stop wasting your time. ‘The division was philosophical, that is all.’ you say. i dont know what that means but what i do know is that all girls who learn in the famed beis yaakov system throughout the ages share the same philosophy .yeah right-you make it sound like the hanhala of the school doesn’t bother checking what kind of hashkafa is found in the home. utter nonsense.

By: ladler

ladler — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:56:02 +0000

“The parents explained that the matter is perceived incorrectly, stating it is one of religious observance and lifestyle, not racism or discrimination as it has been portrayed.”
#1, why not believe these parents? You can love all Jews, but when it comes to one’s children’s chinuch, every parent has a right to choose a school where the student body is compatible with their lifestyle. It you see that many students in your child’s school act, dress or speak in ways you don’t approve of, you may switch them out for the sake of their chinuch. It is wrong to say that all students from a particular ethnic group are negative influences, but if you see in a particular school that most of the difficult ones come from a particular background, even though many others are refined and well-behaved, parents may choose to create a school with students who behave/dress/speak in ways they approve of.
There are many schools for children of beginner baalei teshuva or that cater to particular groups (such as Russian Jews), gearing the chinuch to their needs and it is understood that this is necessary. It seems to me that this is the source of the difference in Emanuel as well. Sepharadim in Israel are usually traditional and respect religion and rabbanim. There are therefore more Sephardic baalei teshuva than Ashkenazi baalei teshuva (who largely come from secular, often leftist, anti-religious backgrounds). However, these Sepharadi baalei teshuva were not brought up with Torah chinuch and some of them have more chinuch issues with their children. Many of them keep in close contact with their very close-knit, warm and family-minded traditional families. Their children are thus exposed to things and lifestyles that affect them in many areas of behavior, mannerisms, dress, language, etc. This might be the case in Emanuel. A family member of mine teaches in a school with a large population of children with this type of background after having taught a number of years in a more standard Bais Yaakov; the behavior challenges are definitely much more difficult! The teacher did not create this difference. It is what it is. Some of these parents are also less accepting of guidance and suggestions to get outside help. It is not a matter of who is at fault; these parents might not have the money or support system to help them. It is wrong to stereotype – not ALL parents of ALL the students in this school have these problems – but it is far more rampant. And what the Emanuel parents object to (as quoted at the start of this comment) is the lifestyle, not the race. Solutions are not easy but no one wants their child to mimic this type of behavior / dress / language. Any ideas?

By: RG

RG — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:23:09 +0000

I live in Emanuel

Please read my letters posted on this topic under the previous artciles on Beis Yaakoc Chasidi here on YWN.

30% of the girls in Beis Yaakov Chasidi Emanuel are Sephardic. These girls also left the original school when they were orderd to return to the origial classes.

A large perentage of others have mixed heritage.

I do not know how this media fabrication can keep continuing. Speak to people who live here. Come visit.

The division was phiosophical, that is all.

By: emoticon613

emoticon613 — Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:29:39 +0000

this is so sad. and we daven for mashiach? stupid, stupid, stupid!!!! love your neighbor as you love yourself, if you think sphardim are less frum, educate them yourself, it’s your responsibility. if you don’t then don’t ostracize them!!!!!!!! this is so sad. i just can’t get over it. i myself am told to hush up the fact that i come from geirim who adopted the sphardi minhagim although i’m ashkenazi, just b/c it might get me looked at wrong. disgusting!!!!