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		<title>By: esrog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[esrog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 15:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joseph,
You are one thousand precent right!!!
Now how exactly do we go about advising them that they are wrong???
Not by debating like teengers. 
All the best.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph,<br />
You are one thousand precent right!!!<br />
Now how exactly do we go about advising them that they are wrong???<br />
Not by debating like teengers.<br />
All the best.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 13:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[esrog, 

The Reform too believe they understand Judaism and many love Judaism. But we must still advsie them they are wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>esrog, </p>
<p>The Reform too believe they understand Judaism and many love Judaism. But we must still advsie them they are wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: esrog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[esrog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 06:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Flatbush Bubby,

I am thrilled to see how informed you are. However, despite all of the above information, I honestly believe the above comments were made out of judgement which neglected to consider the most important aspects of this issue, and in general the world we live in.

The minister of law, who is secular, presented his opinion, and backed it by the spirit of Torah the way he understands it. For all I know, he may have written his opinion on Shabbos. So we who consider ourselves to be Torah Loyal, immediaely attack him.

This comes only from being misinformed about who Israeli secular Jews are, How they see their own identity, and their Judaism. As someone who is involved in this field, I can assure you that they give these issues serious thought. Despite what we think, they are proud of their Jewish identity and Judaism. They would be very reluctant to give it up. They also know more than what we think they do. They differ from us only in their loyalty to the Shulchan Oruch. 

So what should we do? We should use physical violence to convince them why the shame parade is wrong. We should use verbal violence to convince the minister to keep the rest of the Torah. Ofcourse they will understand (especially after reading these comments). They will immediately understand why their humanistic values were wrong, and will lovingly accept the authority of the Shulcan Oruch. And than Moshiach will come.

Yet suprisingly they are not standing in line to buy a Shulchan Oruch set. And I&#039;ll tell you why. The people who keep the shulchan Oruch, when coming across such headlines, only attack as opposed to reason. Secular Jews are intelligent people, and can accept different oppinions (something we can&#039;t do). They are open to understand you provided that you debate like a mentch, and reason with brains. Perhaps a little respect would also help. This reminds me of what chazal teach, Ohev Es Habriyos Umekorvan LaTorah.

In the mean time, keep attacking, bashing, and staying informed. Will see how far you&#039;ll get.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Flatbush Bubby,</p>
<p>I am thrilled to see how informed you are. However, despite all of the above information, I honestly believe the above comments were made out of judgement which neglected to consider the most important aspects of this issue, and in general the world we live in.</p>
<p>The minister of law, who is secular, presented his opinion, and backed it by the spirit of Torah the way he understands it. For all I know, he may have written his opinion on Shabbos. So we who consider ourselves to be Torah Loyal, immediaely attack him.</p>
<p>This comes only from being misinformed about who Israeli secular Jews are, How they see their own identity, and their Judaism. As someone who is involved in this field, I can assure you that they give these issues serious thought. Despite what we think, they are proud of their Jewish identity and Judaism. They would be very reluctant to give it up. They also know more than what we think they do. They differ from us only in their loyalty to the Shulchan Oruch. </p>
<p>So what should we do? We should use physical violence to convince them why the shame parade is wrong. We should use verbal violence to convince the minister to keep the rest of the Torah. Ofcourse they will understand (especially after reading these comments). They will immediately understand why their humanistic values were wrong, and will lovingly accept the authority of the Shulcan Oruch. And than Moshiach will come.</p>
<p>Yet suprisingly they are not standing in line to buy a Shulchan Oruch set. And I&#8217;ll tell you why. The people who keep the shulchan Oruch, when coming across such headlines, only attack as opposed to reason. Secular Jews are intelligent people, and can accept different oppinions (something we can&#8217;t do). They are open to understand you provided that you debate like a mentch, and reason with brains. Perhaps a little respect would also help. This reminds me of what chazal teach, Ohev Es Habriyos Umekorvan LaTorah.</p>
<p>In the mean time, keep attacking, bashing, and staying informed. Will see how far you&#8217;ll get.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 20:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[esrog, you are the only one who does know. may i suggest you advise yw to only accept your comments?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>esrog, you are the only one who does know. may i suggest you advise yw to only accept your comments?</p>
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		<title>By: Flatbush Bubby</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flatbush Bubby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 19:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Esrog, would you like to tell me the number of the U.N. Partition Plan of 1948?  Would you please cite for me exactly which poskim hold that the Minister is correct?  What about Reb Moshe&#039;s p&#039;sak that we are to be me&#039;gayer all of them because we do not know if they are from Zera Avrohom?  Would you please cite exactly where in Igros Moshe that may be?

Maybe we are more informed than we choose to reveal and that what gives us the courage to make the statements that we do.  For someone who advocates that we set policy of Eretz Yisrael based not on what the Halacha says but on what &quot;feels good&quot; and then claims to know that it is in the Torah is ludicrous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esrog, would you like to tell me the number of the U.N. Partition Plan of 1948?  Would you please cite for me exactly which poskim hold that the Minister is correct?  What about Reb Moshe&#8217;s p&#8217;sak that we are to be me&#8217;gayer all of them because we do not know if they are from Zera Avrohom?  Would you please cite exactly where in Igros Moshe that may be?</p>
<p>Maybe we are more informed than we choose to reveal and that what gives us the courage to make the statements that we do.  For someone who advocates that we set policy of Eretz Yisrael based not on what the Halacha says but on what &#8220;feels good&#8221; and then claims to know that it is in the Torah is ludicrous.</p>
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		<title>By: esrog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[esrog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 15:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am dissapointed by the nature of most of the comments on this issue. If you have no idea, and I mean absolutely no idea, of what you are talking about, than perhaps it is better not to comment. I am addressing this to :Bar26, Baki, Iamecstien, amhaaretz, Joseph, Flatbush Buuby, Shmeel, Bubkiss. With all due respect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am dissapointed by the nature of most of the comments on this issue. If you have no idea, and I mean absolutely no idea, of what you are talking about, than perhaps it is better not to comment. I am addressing this to :Bar26, Baki, Iamecstien, amhaaretz, Joseph, Flatbush Buuby, Shmeel, Bubkiss. With all due respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Bar26</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bar26]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 13:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charliehall:

This corrupt justice minister &quot;gets trashed&quot; because of his anti-Torah rulings on extremely important issues. The Torah law is not made to pick and choose from. There are 613 commandments that every single Jew including the Israeli &quot;Justice&quot; ministers (if you want to call them that) are required to abide by. It&#039;s not a game where they can make the rules.

And as such a &quot;compassionate&quot; person, when he&#039;ll start having &quot;compassion&quot; for Religious Jews, that&#039;s when he&#039;ll &quot;deserve praise&quot;. In the meantime, he&#039;s just another self-hating liberal Jew without any moral values.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charliehall:</p>
<p>This corrupt justice minister &#8220;gets trashed&#8221; because of his anti-Torah rulings on extremely important issues. The Torah law is not made to pick and choose from. There are 613 commandments that every single Jew including the Israeli &#8220;Justice&#8221; ministers (if you want to call them that) are required to abide by. It&#8217;s not a game where they can make the rules.</p>
<p>And as such a &#8220;compassionate&#8221; person, when he&#8217;ll start having &#8220;compassion&#8221; for Religious Jews, that&#8217;s when he&#8217;ll &#8220;deserve praise&#8221;. In the meantime, he&#8217;s just another self-hating liberal Jew without any moral values.</p>
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		<title>By: azh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[azh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 12:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At least he is quoting the Torah&#039;s will as a legitimate way to set policy. That&#039;s nice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least he is quoting the Torah&#8217;s will as a legitimate way to set policy. That&#8217;s nice.</p>
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		<title>By: DrYidd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DrYidd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 02:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The response from amhaaretz is at least the correctly identified.  A justice minister reflects the opinion of Rabbi Lau and all he receives from this audience is abuse.  Israel admitted vietnamese boat people much to its credit.

Is this action halachically mandated?   I have an opinion but certainly can entertain the possibility that it is not absolutely required.  However, I have no doubt that the Ramban&#039;s famous edict at the beginning of Kedoshim may have relevence.

The justice minister does not reflect daat torah as the term is currently used in the vernacular and might sue for libel if he was accused of doing so.  But, in my opinion,  he does reflect basic Torah values and profound daat.  are we not all charachterized as Rachamanim??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The response from amhaaretz is at least the correctly identified.  A justice minister reflects the opinion of Rabbi Lau and all he receives from this audience is abuse.  Israel admitted vietnamese boat people much to its credit.</p>
<p>Is this action halachically mandated?   I have an opinion but certainly can entertain the possibility that it is not absolutely required.  However, I have no doubt that the Ramban&#8217;s famous edict at the beginning of Kedoshim may have relevence.</p>
<p>The justice minister does not reflect daat torah as the term is currently used in the vernacular and might sue for libel if he was accused of doing so.  But, in my opinion,  he does reflect basic Torah values and profound daat.  are we not all charachterized as Rachamanim??</p>
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		<title>By: baki</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[baki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 00:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the torah says to let them come, the Supreme Court will have to say that they shouldn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the torah says to let them come, the Supreme Court will have to say that they shouldn&#8217;t.</p>
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