Comments on: First Israeli Crematorium Delibratly Set On Fire

By: Rationalist

Rationalist — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:40:26 +0000

To #1 (OnceFrum):
You’re going about this the wrong way. True that it may just be another case of Khareidi vandalism and it may even be a Khilel hashem, but that’s not the proper perspective. It shouldn’t matter to us whether it is a Khilel hashem or not. What should matter is whether it was a moral act or not. Many times a necessary moral act is a khilel hashem. It all depends on how you define a khilel hashem. Literally, it means Desecration of The Name (of God; probably the one spelled YeHoVaH). What desecrates his name is up for debate. But since orthodox Jews are the ones that seem to claim expertise in this character’s chararcter, I say we leave it to them to decide what desecrates his name. Much in the same way that we should allow the artists at (the evil corporation,)Disney decide what Mickey Mouse’s “character” is like.
What we should not leave up to them is the definition morality. That would irresponsible of us. Morality is far too important to leave up to a group of people that live in a fantasy world where the myriad of evidence that the world is many many many times older than 5767 years old is just a series of thousands of mistakes, or worse, outright deception (Either by those evil scientists, who do exist. Or, on part of the Malakh Hamoves, Hashem Yerakhem!)
All that said it is clear, at least to those of us that do follow the noble tradition of rationalism since we are not beheimes and we do have beautifully capable brains, that burning someone else’s property just because they’re violating a law that is in your non-evidenced, non-justified, book, is IMMORAL. End of story. (Or rather, do debate, but it seems pretty clear cut.)

By: Itzik_s

Itzik_s — Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:33:36 +0000

It should automatically be assumed that ANY acts of so called charedi violence, except perhaps “old style” Mea Shearim hooliganism, is the work of ShaBaK or ShaBaK provocateurs who rile up marginal wannabes on the fringes of the community.

By: matzahlocaol101

matzahlocaol101 — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:18:14 +0000

There seems to be a very serious lack of understanding on the part of many readers here what it means to be a Jew. The following of the Torah is required it is not optional. Presently, the halacha is: A person is required to give between a tenth and a fifth of his wealth for tzedekah. However, he is required to give away his entire wealth, every last cent, in order not to transgress on one negative commandment. That is halacha l’ma’aseh in Rambam and shulchan orech. Li’osid lavo that means putting a man to death for smoking a cigarette if he was properly warned in front of witnesses. While that may seem extreme, G-d is an extremist. We are required to be the Taliban. Get used to it. People that violate Hashem’s law, whether from spite or just ignorance should pain us. Whether it is the sale of steak lavan in Yerushalyim, or the desecration of kvarim on kvish shesh, or Jewish girls that walk Allenby street in Tel Aviv, if a Jew is a servant of Hashem, such things should pain him. If he is moved to action in violation of liberal, western, Hellenistic, Goyish laws that were put in place by Atheistic, assimilated, anti-religious Jews in Israel, I salute him.

By: Oncefrum

Oncefrum — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:13:36 +0000

Ok let’s just say hypothetically, if someone wrote in a tzevooeh that a goy should cremate his body after the jewish relatives sit shivah…would one be allowed to sit shivah knowing what will happen?

By: Joseph

Joseph — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:17:46 +0000

You cannot carry out a will requesting cremation.

By: shuali

shuali — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:03:42 +0000

Did anyone ask a sh’ailah if you may treat ANY Jew — and one you have neither met nor know anything about no less — with the blatant and baseless hatred so many of you have shown oncefrum?

By: Oncefrum

Oncefrum — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:07:27 +0000

Are you allowed to sit shivah for someone if you know that they will be cremated afterwards, as per their Tzevooeh?

By: chesed

chesed — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:08:48 +0000

once frum:
Do you know that if a person is cremated, al pi halacha you are not allowed to sit shiva, say kaddish or do any other aveilus on him?!?!?!?!
and if you do know, and you still have the same opinion on cremation, then please find another site to blog on!! and “editor” please remove a non frum blogger from our site!!
V’hu rachum yechaper avon!

By: lkwdfellow

lkwdfellow — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:02:46 +0000

My great-parents died in a crematoria in Aushwitz – HY”D.

Do we need the zionists putting Meisim in them in Artzaynu Hakedosha?

By: feivel

feivel — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:33:39 +0000

“where do we draw the line”

very important and difficult question…..

nevertheless the line must be drawn.

it is demanded by our Father in Shmayim