Comments on: Israel: Kashrus Incompetence & US Breakfast Cereals (Amended)

By: essy8

essy8 — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:54:25 +0000

comment number 3 is crude and ignorant and has no place on this website.

there are many especially sephardim who don’t see yoshon as a halachic chumra, rather as a d’oraiysa.

furthermore, he is accusing others of an arrogent, holier-than-thou attitude while displaying that plus bad language and sin’ah.

although chodosh from chutz la’aretz has a different din from that of E”Y, many who live there are makpid on yoshon all around (even when they visit USA) and have a right to know that the israeli hechsher isn’t certifying the chodosh status. if i walked into the grocery store here in brooklyn and saw cheerios with a badatz or osem sticker on it, i would assume the storeowner is certifying it as yoshon and wouldn’t check. its misleading, because israeli products with a hechsher can be assumed to be yoshon.

By: PizzaPizza

PizzaPizza — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:56:56 +0000

PinchasErez:

Your low-class dialogue is indicative of a low-class education. Nobody is forcing yoshon down your throat. While yoshon is a multi-faceted issue, it is clear that most rishonim hold it is a d’oraisa in chutz la’aretz as well as eretz yisrael. Most of the teshuvos are melamed zchus for the majority of those in chutz la’aretz who were not makpid as does the chofetz chaim who instructs us not to be moche those who eat chodosh. That is a far cry from endorsing chodosh. And besides, the bulk of the heterim would not apply in an America flush with yoshon-available items. You might want to peek at the chayei odom, the original litvishe posek who says by hilchos rosh hashana that hataras nedarim will not work for yoshon because it is a chiyuv d’oraisa. Should he also shove his shticky litvishe golden calf? Tzadikel, why don’t you review the chofetz chaim’s hilchos loshon horah before becoming an authority on the mishne berura?

By: Aaron Chaim

Aaron Chaim — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:25:07 +0000

PinhasErez,
Why do you talk like that about people who want to be mehader in a mitzva? are you not allowed to take on a hiddur until you’re perfect in everything else?
please leave your sinas chinom and jealousy out of here.

By: mark levin

mark levin — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:02:51 +0000

Perhaps we should leave the machlokes of imported chodosh to people who know halocha as opposed to to gruba “amaratzim” posting here.

By: An Israeli Chareidi

An Israeli Chareidi — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:55:43 +0000

According to the most up-to-date lists, Cap’n Crunch is okay until a package date of Aug 10 2012. Also, I think the stress of the article should not be whether Osem or the Rabbanut should be makpid on Chodosh, but rather it is problematic to claim that this there is no chshash chodosh when there is in fact a problem.

By: akuperma

akuperma — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:52:12 +0000

One wonders how much of this is really about halacha, and how much is really “protectionism” – trying to boost your own country’s economy by creating non-tariff barriers to imports (since tariff barriers are restricted by various treaties promoting free trade). Whether this is good economics or not, it does suggest that the Israeli Government Rabbinate has a comprehension of real world economics.

By: PinhasErez

PinhasErez — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:29:57 +0000

What can I say. Yoshon. While there are so many pressing issues wholesale ignored by the “frum” communities, including the litayim, they go and errect a golden calf around yoshon.
Its a a shtickie thing for yeshivish and american chassidishe types, to be big on little things while they trample larger issues in the broad of daylight.
I think people should take their yoshon shtick and shove it. Thats right big tsadik, pat yourself on the back and walk proud with your chest puffed out.
Feigned piety, trembling, with eyes turned upwards, beseeching the kashrus god to find us favorable in its eyes. Never mind real issues.
What does baalei nefesh mean? Cause thats what my Mishnah Berurah brings about yoshon.

By: proud orthodox jew

proud orthodox jew — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:06:07 +0000

If not mistaken eating yoshon in EY is forbidden according to all poskim even bzman hazeh, although if its grown outside EY there may be some room to be meikil. As that is the case yoshon is something that can’t be taken lightly. This is why many people don’t rely on the rabinutes hechsher.

By: gavra_at_work

gavra_at_work — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:50:29 +0000

Just to make clear (as it was not from the article), IIRC there is no reason to be MORE Machmir for Chodosh in EY on products made in Chutz then in Chutz for products made in Chutz. The poskim that hold it to be muttar say Chadosh goes after where it was grown, not where it is consumed. Of course, if the product is made with wheat grown in EY, that is a different issue.