Comments on: Eida Kashrus Trying to Preserve its Image

By: crazykanoiy

crazykanoiy — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 04:00:32 +0000

#9 Shuali –

1) Read YWN or any Frum News Site for that matter. These statements are all public.

2) The Eidah has never spoken out against the violence so how do you know that the sikrikim would not listen to them?

Please stop defending the indefensible.

By: shuali

shuali — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 00:10:51 +0000

Mr. Kanoiy: 1) We must have very different news sources. 2) The real problem is that the sikrikim and their ilk do not see the leaders of the Eidah – all known, recognized, and respected talmidei chachomim – as their leaders. They would not listen and therefore the gedolim may not speak. 3) They choose not even to ignore them.

By: crazykanoiy

crazykanoiy — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 04:37:46 +0000

To #7 Shuali “Wishful thinking” would aptly describe your position. Your historical examples are inaccurate and irrelevant to the Eidah of today.

Todays Eidah has NEVER publicly condemned violence. Not by the Munchausen mom riots of 2009 and not by the riots of 2011-2012.

The Eidah has publicly backed the so called “sikrikim” in jail and has also distanced itself from its one voice of moderation Shmuel Poppenheim.

Face reality the Eidah is the Sikrikim and the Sikrikim are the Eidah. You should find better places for your kids to eat when they go learn in Yerushalayim.

By: shuali

shuali — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 21:10:53 +0000

Wishful thinking, but historically incorrect.
Many public statements have been made condemning behaviors contrary to the darkei no’am of the Torah and the ribui shalom of those who learn its ways.
The Eidah has always had as its leaders respected, accepted talmidei chachomim. Neither can be said of the NK or their ilk. The fact the new stone throwers don’t stop is the biggest proof they are not part of the Eidah. As far as ahavah and achdus is concerned; Rav Kook and Rav Sonnenfeld traveled the length and breadth of EY TOGETHER in an effort to bring our brethren closer to HaShem. HaRav Issar Zalman Meltzer signed on a smichah from Yeshivas Merkaz HaRav. The list goes on and on. HaRav Yosef Scheinberger, mazkir for the Eidah for over 50 years had among his loyal followers, sphardim, ashkenazim, right wing, left wing, yeshivish, chasidish, everyone. Give it up Rabbosai. They are not our enemies. They are the ones who host our sons and daughters who we send to Israel to “learn.” Oh how much they would learn if not for these Eidah families who keep them safe in their homes every Shabbos. They are our friends. Look elsewhere for hatred.

By: crazykanoiy

crazykanoiy — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 18:50:20 +0000

The Eidah has said very publicly that Poppenheim does not talk for them. Why do you quote Poppenheim as the “one in charge of oversight for Badatz operations”?

The Eidah has publicly backed those arrested for vigilante violence.

Rabbi Weiss has never ever forcefully condemned the violence.

Realize that names like Sikrikim and Neturei Karta are all a smokescreen. These people are the Eidah.

By: ichbin

ichbin — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 17:40:53 +0000

To #2 Shuali:
You’re wrong!

The Eida has already come out publicly in support of the radical groups.

The truth may hurt, but nothing will be righted until we are willing to see the truth.

By: AinOhdMilvado

AinOhdMilvado — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 17:37:08 +0000

Perhaps now that the lunacy of the wackos is hitting the Eida “in the pocketbook”, they will do more to bring them under control.

I do miss “the moderate approach synonymous with the respectful Yerushalmi chossid” whose worst act was yelling “Shabbas” at a passing car.

If we say that achdus will bring Mashiach, what, r”l, is the sick behavior we’ve seen in past several months going to bring?

By: akuperma

akuperma — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:19:50 +0000

The Eida is both a “shadow government” and a the representative of a large and diverse community (including some who prefer the pre-1914 status quo, and others who are quite happy with the medinah but wish it was Jewish) — and it is also in the kashrus business. This is inherently problematic since what’s good for the business (good relations with the zionists) isn’t necessarily politically correct with its constituents.

By: shuali

shuali — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:05:20 +0000

1. The Eidah HaChareidis has ALWAYS distanced itself from radical groups (e.g. Netura Karta).
2. Members of the Eidah HaChareidis has always submitted itself to the scrutiny and authority of its leaders, all world renown and respected Torah scholars, yorei Shomayim, and true ovdei HaShem.
3. The few individuals accused of money laundering, while involved and aligned with the Eidah, I believe it has been stated and proven that their alleged illegal dealings were NOT directly involved with Eidah’s charity and were certainly not in accordance with directives received from Eidah leaders.

By: cantoresq

cantoresq — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 14:39:05 +0000

I wouldn’t think twice about passing over products with a BADAT”Z hechsher in favor of available alternatives. The Eida Chareidis has made it manifestly clear that it is no longer part of my machaneh.