Comments on: Rav Moshe Vaye Writes About On ‘Worms In Fish’ (World Famous Expert On Bugs)

By: estherh

estherh — Sun, 06 Jun 2010 23:06:57 +0000

Revach writes that he and 2 mashgichim checked 4000 herrings in Norway and found them clean. I watched at the Eida an expert check a herring. It took him about ten minutes and the fish was in bits. He pulled out a few worms,and I asked him if there could still be any left there. He said “there still could be”. Now for three people to check (thoroughly) 4,000 herrings and declare them clean, should take 10 days (24 hours) working nonstop.
So there goes another lie.

Revach gives a Hechsher on washed vegetables. He claims they are 100 o/o clean.
Bluff exposed . insects are found daily.

By: Daas Yochid

Daas Yochid — Fri, 28 May 2010 18:06:07 +0000

Lomed #36:
There is a difference, it would seem to me, between asking a shailoh which needs personal attention, and one that doesn’t. Based on the need for a rov to personally observe something, or the unique nature of a particular shailoh and the fact that it’s not reasonable to expect the godol hador to be able to answer every shailoh, we of course rely on our personal (local) rabbonim. We would expect that if he doesn’t know the answer, he would refer the shailoh to someone who does. But when a shailoh such as this one comes along, which is universal, and we know the psak of the gedolei hador, it would make sense for someone to feel it’s worthwhile to be machmir.

By: Lomed Mkol Adam

Lomed Mkol Adam — Fri, 28 May 2010 14:51:18 +0000

#35 Hello99: Do you trust your local Rav when it comes to Niddah shaalas (chayvei kriesus), and do you trust your local Rav on Hilchos Shabbos shaalos (chayvei missah), then you can and should trust your local Rav on Maacholos Asuros shaalos (chayvei malkus).

Of course a local Rav doesn’t pasken shaalos on his own, He either has a mesora on particular shaalos, or he chooses (using the minimal knowledge that he does know) from which of the gedolei poskim of the time (Rav Vaye or Rav Revach) to rely on and pasken accordingly. This is how a Minhag Hamokom-Shul/Neighborhood is established. And you/nobody have any buisness privately/publicly questioning your/any Rav’s psak.

If we would cut out all this ongoing Terrorism by scaring out Rabbanim from having the confidence Hashem has given them to properly pasken shaalas, then we would thereby restore the spiritual security of each community, which is definitely what Hashem’s Ratzon is.

By: hello99

hello99 — Fri, 28 May 2010 05:30:26 +0000

Lomed Mkol Adam: “Let every town ask their own Rav for his opinion”
That would be silly. Why should one prefer the opinion of a local Rav who does not have the resources to accurately research the metzius nor the expertise in Torah especially in a less commonly learned sugya over our Gedolei HaPoskim???

By: Daas Yochid

Daas Yochid — Fri, 28 May 2010 05:03:55 +0000

Lomed M’kol Adam:
huh?

By: Lomed Mkol Adam

Lomed Mkol Adam — Thu, 27 May 2010 20:39:21 +0000

#30 Daas Yochid: If you would like to refrain from eating certain fish, then Kol Hakovod; but why must you act as the extended political arm of some Rav Elyashiv’s “Gabbaim” and terrorize all YWN readers by creating a new issur on eating certain fish called “Kovod HaGedolim” (when Rav Elyashiv Shlit”a himself has no hakpada at all), let’s stick to as whether these fish have an issur of “sheretz hamayim” and that’s it.

On a different note, Halacha was never an issue of “Emunas Chachamim” throughout the generation. Only Hashkafa shaalos were the strict domain of our Gedolim. See perek “Makom Shenahagu” in Gemara Pesachim, as well as many Sugyos in Gemara Chulin, that we find different towns had followed different minhagim as to what was assur and what was muttar, especially in dinim of Kashrus. So why is this shaala becoming a clear cut shaala strictly in a Gadol’s domain? Let every town ask their own Rav for his opinion, as was always the mesora in Klal Yisroel. This doesn’t at all intefer with the universal acceptance of our Gedolim’s authority and opinion when it comes to hashkafa. When Rav Shach Zt”l was the Manhig of Klal Yisroel, halacha issued never became entagled with “Gedolim” and their authority, it was always the domain of poskim who were aquainted in the field.

Finally, if we happen to have a Gadol who is also a Posek Hador in Halacha, as was the case when Rav Moshe Zt”l was alive; then we would be fortunate to have universal authority to be “MATTIR” not Osser, as every “Bar Bei Rav” could assur out of lack of clarity. And the “eid echad ne’eman b’issurin” is needed and used “L’Kula” Not “L’Chumra” (we dont need “Eidus” to Assur).

By: Daas Yochid

Daas Yochid — Thu, 27 May 2010 20:23:48 +0000

Sholombayis:
I write agaim: Rav Vaye’s opinion is known to Maran. Maran would not allow a farce to be made of halacha. This is not a din torah in choshen mishpot where each baal din gets to respond.
You write that it is well known that Rav Vaye can’t get in. If we’ve allowed our discussion to descend into rumors, I’ll tell you what I’ve heard – Maran called Rav Vaye in to tell him that he is assuring the worms, so that Rav Vaye would no longer tell people that Maran is matir.

By: Sholombayis

Sholombayis — Thu, 27 May 2010 19:19:51 +0000

There is no reason for Rav Elyashiv to waste his time with more people stating their opinions.

How ridiculos!
Having Harav Vaye present his opinion to Maran is a waste of time???
I write again…It is well know in Yerusholayim that Rav Vaye is not given access to Maran.
It is also well known that Maran, respects Rav Vayes opinion. But, in todays climate Rav Vaye and his opinion are hidden from Maran. NOT because Maran does not want to waste time.
This creates a farce of Halacha

By: Daas Yochid

Daas Yochid — Thu, 27 May 2010 16:39:12 +0000

Sholombayis:
“In essence, this might (G-d forbid) cause a great segment of Klal Yisroel to disregard anything that Maran, Rav Elyasdhiv will say, and WE OURSELVES will have caused the greatest “Bizoyen”, the greatest disrespect for Torah and Gedolim ever”
Yes, this has happened. People continue to doubt Rav Elyashiv’s psak, for example, “goodbye”, and “Lomed Mkol Adam”, despite numerous people reporting it. As Lomed Mkol Adam correctly points out, in a previous post, “eid echod ne’emon b’issurim”. This applies not only when one hears an eidus he likes. As to why it doesn’t apply to the “eidus” of R’ Moshes psak, read my response in #24.
There is no reason for Rav Elyashiv to waste his time with more people stating their opinions. He has heard all sides of the issue, as a responsible posek must (and to assume he hasn’t discredits him to the point of bizoyon hatorah), has paskened, and unless new information comes along, he needs not listen to whomever wants to try to convince him otherwise.

By: Sholombayis

Sholombayis — Thu, 27 May 2010 14:22:31 +0000

Unfortunatly, this issue has become so polticized, to the point that otherwise intelligent Talmidei Chachomim are making ridiculous statements.

The fact remains, and is well known in Yerusholayim, that Rabbonim who are known to be exceptional Yirei Shomayim, great Talmidei Chachomim, who believe that these fish are Mutar, are prevented from meeting with Maran, Harav Elyashiv. Someone or other, who is from those that feel that the fish are Assur, do not allow maran, to hear the opinion of the matirim.
It is ridiculous to say, Well, Rav Elyashiv heard from Rav Vaye 15 years ago, or Rav Wosner heard from Rav Falk 15 years ago, when these Rabbonim are not allowed access to our Poiskei Hador, are not allowed to present their current views to RaV Elyashiv.
In essence, this might (G-d forbid) cause a great segment of Klal Yisroel to disregard anything that Maran, Rav Elyasdhiv will say, and WE OURSELVES will have caused the greatest “Bizoyen”, the greatest disrespect for Torah and Gedolim ever.