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	<title>Comments on: YWN MAILBAG: Response To The NASI &#8216;Game-Changing Shidduch Project&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: cherrybim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cherrybim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 13:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone who has followed NASI, knows that this is a strong armed insidious con to extract as much money as possible from certain desperate individuals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who has followed NASI, knows that this is a strong armed insidious con to extract as much money as possible from certain desperate individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: gefen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gefen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 00:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#20 emesvyatziv - love your idea. go for it!

#23 chani T - i&#039;d love to hear Rav Kamenetzky&#039;s response. keep us posted.

To Nasi (AZ- care to answer for them?) How can you say that any girl can come up with $5,000 and up if they really want to? Do you not understand that some people just CANNOT do it? Do you not understand that some families are struggling just to put food on their table and a roof over their heads? NO IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR EVERY SINGLE GIRL TO COME UP WITH THAT KIND OF MONEY!!! What are you thinking??? Or are you thinking at all?! Wait - I know the answer - you are thinking of the $$$$$$$$$]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#20 emesvyatziv &#8211; love your idea. go for it!</p>
<p>#23 chani T &#8211; i&#8217;d love to hear Rav Kamenetzky&#8217;s response. keep us posted.</p>
<p>To Nasi (AZ- care to answer for them?) How can you say that any girl can come up with $5,000 and up if they really want to? Do you not understand that some people just CANNOT do it? Do you not understand that some families are struggling just to put food on their table and a roof over their heads? NO IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR EVERY SINGLE GIRL TO COME UP WITH THAT KIND OF MONEY!!! What are you thinking??? Or are you thinking at all?! Wait &#8211; I know the answer &#8211; you are thinking of the $$$$$$$$$</p>
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		<title>By: AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 21:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From NASI

	Re: the first program

The program when launched was subject to funds availability. That point aside, well over 125,000 was given out to shadchanim who made such shidduchim. That money was rasied by one individual . The program was B”H so successful tht we realized it couldn’t last forever. A decision was made to set a date for a few months in the future, after which we wouldn’t accept any new claims. Unfortanetly, what happened was that girls and boys families took advantage. When a qualifying shidduch got engaged, instead of giving standard shadchanus to the Shadchan, they gave 360 and said go to NASI they will give you. This was 1. Totally wrong as that wasn’t the intention of the program 2. Being that we were falling behind with raising the money, the shadchanim, were actually getting stiffed, not from parents and not from NASI. As such the program was stopped abruptly to all new claims. 

c.	At present all outstanding claims are still on file, if when we had the money we wuld pay it out. If we raise 2,000 tehn we have a decision to make, should we give to 2 of the outstanding claim, or should we do something like the BMG mailing and other such endevours which has been very effective in changing boys attitudes towards girls there own age or older. The R”Y advising the program have told us to keep our eye on the mission. If we come up with a lump sum (10k or something) we use some for present programs and pay back outstanding claims. If we don’t have that money we simply can’t pay. In the last few years in case you’ve noticed the economy isn’t great and fundraising hasn’t exactly been easy.



Feel free to call Rav Shmuel Shlit&quot;a: 

Please note: He was NOT asked regarding this specific program and unless he reads the yated/hamodia etc most probably doesn&#039;t even know about this specific program.

He is well aware who is guiding the project on a day to day basis &quot;who is the &quot;daas torah&quot; behind it&quot; and Rav Shmuel holds that person in great esteem and greatly values their judgment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From NASI</p>
<p>	Re: the first program</p>
<p>The program when launched was subject to funds availability. That point aside, well over 125,000 was given out to shadchanim who made such shidduchim. That money was rasied by one individual . The program was B”H so successful tht we realized it couldn’t last forever. A decision was made to set a date for a few months in the future, after which we wouldn’t accept any new claims. Unfortanetly, what happened was that girls and boys families took advantage. When a qualifying shidduch got engaged, instead of giving standard shadchanus to the Shadchan, they gave 360 and said go to NASI they will give you. This was 1. Totally wrong as that wasn’t the intention of the program 2. Being that we were falling behind with raising the money, the shadchanim, were actually getting stiffed, not from parents and not from NASI. As such the program was stopped abruptly to all new claims. </p>
<p>c.	At present all outstanding claims are still on file, if when we had the money we wuld pay it out. If we raise 2,000 tehn we have a decision to make, should we give to 2 of the outstanding claim, or should we do something like the BMG mailing and other such endevours which has been very effective in changing boys attitudes towards girls there own age or older. The R”Y advising the program have told us to keep our eye on the mission. If we come up with a lump sum (10k or something) we use some for present programs and pay back outstanding claims. If we don’t have that money we simply can’t pay. In the last few years in case you’ve noticed the economy isn’t great and fundraising hasn’t exactly been easy.</p>
<p>Feel free to call Rav Shmuel Shlit&#8221;a: </p>
<p>Please note: He was NOT asked regarding this specific program and unless he reads the yated/hamodia etc most probably doesn&#8217;t even know about this specific program.</p>
<p>He is well aware who is guiding the project on a day to day basis &#8220;who is the &#8220;daas torah&#8221; behind it&#8221; and Rav Shmuel holds that person in great esteem and greatly values their judgment.</p>
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		<title>By: midwest observer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[midwest observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 21:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I frankly don&#039;t understand what all the commotion is about. No one is forced to pay this shadchonus. NASI is offering a service that you may or may not want.  The way I understand this, NASI is willing to return the money at any time and they are not taking anyone&#039;s money on a promise to deliver a service. You only owe it after they perform the service.  They hold the money until then to be sure that you do not change your mind after the chasuna about how much shadchonus you will pay (if you have ever paid shadchonus you know how tempting that would be).  I think that is very fair. In fact NASI is trusting you that you won&#039;t demand the money back right before the engagement and pay less shadchonus.  Of course you could only do that once, so it better be your last child to marry off.  It&#039;s like any service that takes money or a credit card before they actually perform the service and hold your money or credit card until they are entitled to the money.  

Whether world class gedolim have endorsed this idea also seems inconsequential.  In the old days, if you needed help making a decision on a Torah matter, you consulted with your rov or rebbe (which is what I intend to do).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I frankly don&#8217;t understand what all the commotion is about. No one is forced to pay this shadchonus. NASI is offering a service that you may or may not want.  The way I understand this, NASI is willing to return the money at any time and they are not taking anyone&#8217;s money on a promise to deliver a service. You only owe it after they perform the service.  They hold the money until then to be sure that you do not change your mind after the chasuna about how much shadchonus you will pay (if you have ever paid shadchonus you know how tempting that would be).  I think that is very fair. In fact NASI is trusting you that you won&#8217;t demand the money back right before the engagement and pay less shadchonus.  Of course you could only do that once, so it better be your last child to marry off.  It&#8217;s like any service that takes money or a credit card before they actually perform the service and hold your money or credit card until they are entitled to the money.  </p>
<p>Whether world class gedolim have endorsed this idea also seems inconsequential.  In the old days, if you needed help making a decision on a Torah matter, you consulted with your rov or rebbe (which is what I intend to do).</p>
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		<title>By: Chacham</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chacham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 21:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I put this comment in the other day but I think its important to repeat.  We can help with the shidduch crisis another way that involves NO money.  allow the freezer boys to go out only with girls 22 and older and give them first dibs for the new crop of boys.  Allow the 18-19 year olds mature a bit before they even contemplate marriage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I put this comment in the other day but I think its important to repeat.  We can help with the shidduch crisis another way that involves NO money.  allow the freezer boys to go out only with girls 22 and older and give them first dibs for the new crop of boys.  Allow the 18-19 year olds mature a bit before they even contemplate marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: chanie T.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chanie T.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 19:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I have nothing to add to this discussion as every  emotion that can be expressed has been, I am going to call Rav Shmuel Kamenetzky, Shlita, next week to get his take. My husband knowing Rav Shmuel for over 25 years and speaking with him on a monthly basis, cannot believe that he agreed with this outrageous fee system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I have nothing to add to this discussion as every  emotion that can be expressed has been, I am going to call Rav Shmuel Kamenetzky, Shlita, next week to get his take. My husband knowing Rav Shmuel for over 25 years and speaking with him on a monthly basis, cannot believe that he agreed with this outrageous fee system.</p>
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		<title>By: HaKatan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HaKatan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 17:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That &quot;third way&quot; also has halachic requirements and regulations that accompany it. Otherwise, like much else done wrong, it&#039;s very much an aveirah.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That &#8220;third way&#8221; also has halachic requirements and regulations that accompany it. Otherwise, like much else done wrong, it&#8217;s very much an aveirah.</p>
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		<title>By: EzratHashem</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EzratHashem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 16:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unless a family is wealthy, most cannot afford $11k to find a shidduch and only THEN start paying (or begging, borrowing, etc)  for wedding expenses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless a family is wealthy, most cannot afford $11k to find a shidduch and only THEN start paying (or begging, borrowing, etc)  for wedding expenses.</p>
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		<title>By: emesvyatziv</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[emesvyatziv]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 16:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The new get into school game changing plan.

As is well known, due to the phenomenal growth of our community, there is a problem with getting your kids into school. The NATI game changing plan will change this for you. Here is how it works.

When your child is born you submit $5000 towards the first years tuition + $500 for administrative overhead to the NATI office. We will submit your name to at least 50 schools that will consider whether they should accept you. Should one of these schools accept you we will submit your $5000 to them for tuition. This plan is backed by Eliyahu Hanovi.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new get into school game changing plan.</p>
<p>As is well known, due to the phenomenal growth of our community, there is a problem with getting your kids into school. The NATI game changing plan will change this for you. Here is how it works.</p>
<p>When your child is born you submit $5000 towards the first years tuition + $500 for administrative overhead to the NATI office. We will submit your name to at least 50 schools that will consider whether they should accept you. Should one of these schools accept you we will submit your $5000 to them for tuition. This plan is backed by Eliyahu Hanovi.</p>
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		<title>By: old man</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[old man]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 16:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why would a Rav put his name on this? It sounds like everyone would burn his house down. My guess is that each individual Rav will sign it on condition that every other Rav will also sign it. In the end, either many will sign simultaneously or none will. Let&#039;s wait and see. Insane system if you ask me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would a Rav put his name on this? It sounds like everyone would burn his house down. My guess is that each individual Rav will sign it on condition that every other Rav will also sign it. In the end, either many will sign simultaneously or none will. Let&#8217;s wait and see. Insane system if you ask me.</p>
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