Comments on: For Purim: A Stone-Cold Purim

By: plaid

plaid — Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:24:19 +0000

Kanoi – Your response disgusts me. So it takes a person getting killed R”L to lend some credence to the view that minors should not be given (excess, or even any) alcohol which is dangerous and illegal to begin with…

By: nombody

nombody — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:09:35 +0000

Kanoi – the level of drinking required “ad dlo yada” is referring to a piyut they used to sing where the response was either Baruch Mordechai or Arur Haman. So you are supposed to drink until you reach the level where you don’t know if the right response is Baruch Mordechai or Arur Haman. Not to reach a level of drunkenness where you don’t even know the difference between those words.

By: The Kanoi Next Door

The Kanoi Next Door — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 23:29:08 +0000

#9:
The Shulchan Oruch says one should drink until he cannot differentiate between baruch Mordechai and arur Haman. All the insults and accusations in the world will not change that fact. There are more makil shitos, but to claim there is no “valid basis in daas torah to drink in even slight excess” is just not true.

#10:
I stand corrected.

#13:
Nowhere did I suggest minors get drunk; kindly do not put words in my mouth. I said they must fulfil ad di’lo yadah. (And I didn’t make that up, the Shulchan Oruch did. If you have a problem, take it up with him.) They can, and should, do it according to the Rema; but they still must drink at least some alcohol according to all shitos.

By: smartaleck

smartaleck — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 22:35:09 +0000

And btw, there is NO din to drink at night. ONLY at the Seuda, and ONLY within the guidelines of Halacha. And if after learning the Shelah and others who hold there’s a difference between “livsumei” and “shikrus” you still are not sure how much your Chiyuv is- safek derabanan lekulah. To be machmir for yourself is wrong al pi halacha, but to advertise it is irresponsible and evil.

By: smartaleck

smartaleck — Sat, 23 Feb 2013 22:28:34 +0000

To #3- the ultimate bigshot “lamdan”. There is a machlokes haposkim as to whether there is a chiyuv to get “drunk”, or does “livsumei” just mean happy or slightly high. Most poskim agree that to get drunk is not the Torah way, and chazal never meant anything like that! The Rama paskens to drink until you fall asleep. This is not a very drunk situation. You can drink two or three cups of wine and get groggy. If you want to run around while drinking and drink yourself into a drunken state of stupidity, do not quote chazal. You are not only an Am Ha’aretz, but also a Rodef. for your own sake, I hope no youngsters are somech on your “psak” to cause chilul Hashem, injury or worse.

By: Chamor HaDor

Chamor HaDor — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 21:53:33 +0000

To #8: I have PERSONALLY. I’m a Hatzoloh member and I WAS THERE. If you still think you know it all, YOU DON’T. Don’t be oiver on Lifnei Iveir.

How dare you suggest that minors get drunk????

By: zionflag

zionflag — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:29:25 +0000

NO DRINKING & DRIVING (& that the Shulan Aruch didnt mentions).

By: Huvs

Huvs — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:32:10 +0000

To Number 8, who answered Number 5.
Yes, there are cases where people do die from overindulgence in alcohol on Purim.

Jews who drink to excess very rarely are clueless how to handle their alcohol.

By the way, I heard this morning on Nachum Segal’s show that the penalty in NJ and NY for failing the breathalyzer test in a car is to have the care IMPOUNDED. As in, taken away. For a long time, or permanently.

By: plaid

plaid — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:46:31 +0000

The Kanoi Next Door – I have. And for his high-school age classmates, instead of spending the day after Purim reveling in the experience of the holiday, they were attending a funeral.

By: Gadolhadorah

Gadolhadorah — Fri, 22 Feb 2013 04:17:33 +0000

To No. 5

Either you deliberately misread what many have said or you really have a drinking issue. No one said not to drink on Purim. What we are saying is that there is no chiyuv to drink in excess and if you don’t believe that than you are putting yourself and others a risk of a tragedy.