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		<title>By: michoel binyomin</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope this ordeal made LOTS of Jews uncomfortable.  It reminds them that they are Jews.  

Anyway, to &quot;Abi meleibt&quot; I do know of stories of people who lit chanukah menorahs, lit shabbos candles, decided to go to shul on a father&#039;s yartzeit, etc. etc. because of the public dispalys of yiddishkeit by Chabad shluchim.  I suggest you pick up the book &quot;Excuse Me, Are You Jewish?&quot; which highlights just a tiny glimpse of the countless stories out there (and reverberations that are felt when a yiddishe heart and neshama, which naturally want to cleave to Hashem, is reminded of who they are).  

In fact, I am one such story.  In my college days, when I was a secular Jew (a proud zionist, but very secular in my thinking and day-to-day living and not at all interested in frumkeit), I was confronted by a beared rabbi, in public in front of non-Jews, on several occasions on campus.  One such occasion had him running a kosher hot dog stand on the main thoroughfare where thousands of students walk each day.  He set-up that hot dog stand for the purpose of finding Jews.  He was yelling out to people walking by, &quot;excuse me, are you Jewish?&quot; and asking if they want a nice kosher hot dog and soda for lunch for $1 or $2.  Being the proud Jew I was, and having met him a couple of times before briefly, I proudly bought a hot dog or two.  He, in turn, invited me for Shabbos.  I didn&#039;t become a frum yid overnight and, in fact, mostly lived my mostly secular lifestyle until about a month after finishing school, when I decided to start keeping shabbos and kosher.  But leading up to that, that rabbi and his colleagues gave me mitzvos to do (despite my resistance and staunch secularism), including partaking in many friday nights for kiddush, seudas mitzvos, bentching, megillah readings, etc. etc.  I can only imagine where I would be today had I not met him.   

That same rabbi also set-up a hot-dog stand on some motzei shabboses, late at night outside of clubs where young people would be entering and exiting for a night of the worst gashmiusdik partying (again a very public display).  I know second hand a story of a young woman who met this rabbi, bought a hot dog, accepted an invitation for Shabbos, became close with the Chabad rebbetzin and is today the mother and wife of a beautfiul frum family in the midwest.  The Lubavitcher Rebbe, Z&#039;Tz&#039;L, whose teachings and leadership to this day directly and indirectly inspires thousands and thousands of yiddin to live Torah lives everyday, counseled that there is a fire going on in the house of yisroel.  His hashkafa was that you have to send firefighters to rescue people from the fire.  I believe the Rebbe thought that if you spend too much time worried about whether you are going to get burnt in your rescue mission, you&#039;ve already delayed too long and, chas v&#039;shalom, have lost another yid to secularism and assimilation.  

As others have said on this board, the Rabbi in Seattle could not have ever predicted, based on past experience of thousands of public menorah lightings, that the airport would react in such an irrational way.  G-d willing, he will be able to use this situation as a catalyst to communicate the meaning of Chanukah to the tens of thousands of yiddin in his part of the country who are mostly assimilated.  

Jewish pride is the call of the day.  The great gedolim of this generation say we are living in yamei hamoshiach.  If Moshiach comes tomorrow, what will happen to the all of the non-frum yiddin?  Doesn&#039;t anyone care?  We&#039;re arguing that we should NOT remind yiddin that they are Jews with public displays of yiddishkeit because we are afraid of what the non-Jews will say or do . . . after chorbun europe we actually think there is a connection between being TOO Jewish in public and anti-Semitism? 

I think if we also listened to the words of chazal and first ensured that how we approach our fellow yiddin STARTS with ahavas yisroel . . . and that all else flows from that . . . we could accomplish so much more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope this ordeal made LOTS of Jews uncomfortable.  It reminds them that they are Jews.  </p>
<p>Anyway, to &#8220;Abi meleibt&#8221; I do know of stories of people who lit chanukah menorahs, lit shabbos candles, decided to go to shul on a father&#8217;s yartzeit, etc. etc. because of the public dispalys of yiddishkeit by Chabad shluchim.  I suggest you pick up the book &#8220;Excuse Me, Are You Jewish?&#8221; which highlights just a tiny glimpse of the countless stories out there (and reverberations that are felt when a yiddishe heart and neshama, which naturally want to cleave to Hashem, is reminded of who they are).  </p>
<p>In fact, I am one such story.  In my college days, when I was a secular Jew (a proud zionist, but very secular in my thinking and day-to-day living and not at all interested in frumkeit), I was confronted by a beared rabbi, in public in front of non-Jews, on several occasions on campus.  One such occasion had him running a kosher hot dog stand on the main thoroughfare where thousands of students walk each day.  He set-up that hot dog stand for the purpose of finding Jews.  He was yelling out to people walking by, &#8220;excuse me, are you Jewish?&#8221; and asking if they want a nice kosher hot dog and soda for lunch for $1 or $2.  Being the proud Jew I was, and having met him a couple of times before briefly, I proudly bought a hot dog or two.  He, in turn, invited me for Shabbos.  I didn&#8217;t become a frum yid overnight and, in fact, mostly lived my mostly secular lifestyle until about a month after finishing school, when I decided to start keeping shabbos and kosher.  But leading up to that, that rabbi and his colleagues gave me mitzvos to do (despite my resistance and staunch secularism), including partaking in many friday nights for kiddush, seudas mitzvos, bentching, megillah readings, etc. etc.  I can only imagine where I would be today had I not met him.   </p>
<p>That same rabbi also set-up a hot-dog stand on some motzei shabboses, late at night outside of clubs where young people would be entering and exiting for a night of the worst gashmiusdik partying (again a very public display).  I know second hand a story of a young woman who met this rabbi, bought a hot dog, accepted an invitation for Shabbos, became close with the Chabad rebbetzin and is today the mother and wife of a beautfiul frum family in the midwest.  The Lubavitcher Rebbe, Z&#8217;Tz&#8217;L, whose teachings and leadership to this day directly and indirectly inspires thousands and thousands of yiddin to live Torah lives everyday, counseled that there is a fire going on in the house of yisroel.  His hashkafa was that you have to send firefighters to rescue people from the fire.  I believe the Rebbe thought that if you spend too much time worried about whether you are going to get burnt in your rescue mission, you&#8217;ve already delayed too long and, chas v&#8217;shalom, have lost another yid to secularism and assimilation.  </p>
<p>As others have said on this board, the Rabbi in Seattle could not have ever predicted, based on past experience of thousands of public menorah lightings, that the airport would react in such an irrational way.  G-d willing, he will be able to use this situation as a catalyst to communicate the meaning of Chanukah to the tens of thousands of yiddin in his part of the country who are mostly assimilated.  </p>
<p>Jewish pride is the call of the day.  The great gedolim of this generation say we are living in yamei hamoshiach.  If Moshiach comes tomorrow, what will happen to the all of the non-frum yiddin?  Doesn&#8217;t anyone care?  We&#8217;re arguing that we should NOT remind yiddin that they are Jews with public displays of yiddishkeit because we are afraid of what the non-Jews will say or do . . . after chorbun europe we actually think there is a connection between being TOO Jewish in public and anti-Semitism? </p>
<p>I think if we also listened to the words of chazal and first ensured that how we approach our fellow yiddin STARTS with ahavas yisroel . . . and that all else flows from that . . . we could accomplish so much more.</p>
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		<title>By: bauer</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sroy:

You really can&#039;t compare Lubavitch in Russia to being in the US today. You just couldn&#039;t get away with that there. Here, albeit there is the more subdued antisemitism, we do have the freedom to do these things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sroy:</p>
<p>You really can&#8217;t compare Lubavitch in Russia to being in the US today. You just couldn&#8217;t get away with that there. Here, albeit there is the more subdued antisemitism, we do have the freedom to do these things.</p>
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		<title>By: rachelthejew</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why are jews so much quicker to jump on other jews than on the anti-semites??! The fact is, that rather than put up one little menorah -that the rabbi offered to sponsor- the airport took down all of their  &#039;holiday&#039; trees. They then made it seem like the rabbi had incited that -which he didn&#039;t!! He had an absolute right to request for a symbol of judaism to be present in the airport!! AND he had a right to sue, if he so chose, because that was OBVIOUS discrimination, and what some don&#039;t realize is that it&#039;s so-called fanatics like him that balance out those who are so quick to hide their jewishness and allow the rest of us our religious freedoms.
After he realized what the airport had turned it into, he retracted his threat to sue and the airport put BACK the trees, still sanz the menorah.
If that isn&#039;t blatant anti-semitism, then I don&#039;t know what is.
We americans assocciate anti-semitism as physical crimes committed against jews, like the intifada or the holocaust. This particular airport is not allowing a display of a religious symbol, which, although not nearly as extreme, still brings to mind what the greeks had in mind for the jews way back when. No, they are not teling us what to do in our own homes, but they are disallowing a jewish display in a public place.Note, that although the law dictates that a menorah is allowed wherever there is a holiday tree, there is STILL no menorah over there. 
Again, if you don&#039;t think that that is blatant anti-semitism, then you are just naive. And by the way, the Rabbi did NOT incite anti-semitsm. The anti-semites did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are jews so much quicker to jump on other jews than on the anti-semites??! The fact is, that rather than put up one little menorah -that the rabbi offered to sponsor- the airport took down all of their  &#8216;holiday&#8217; trees. They then made it seem like the rabbi had incited that -which he didn&#8217;t!! He had an absolute right to request for a symbol of judaism to be present in the airport!! AND he had a right to sue, if he so chose, because that was OBVIOUS discrimination, and what some don&#8217;t realize is that it&#8217;s so-called fanatics like him that balance out those who are so quick to hide their jewishness and allow the rest of us our religious freedoms.<br />
After he realized what the airport had turned it into, he retracted his threat to sue and the airport put BACK the trees, still sanz the menorah.<br />
If that isn&#8217;t blatant anti-semitism, then I don&#8217;t know what is.<br />
We americans assocciate anti-semitism as physical crimes committed against jews, like the intifada or the holocaust. This particular airport is not allowing a display of a religious symbol, which, although not nearly as extreme, still brings to mind what the greeks had in mind for the jews way back when. No, they are not teling us what to do in our own homes, but they are disallowing a jewish display in a public place.Note, that although the law dictates that a menorah is allowed wherever there is a holiday tree, there is STILL no menorah over there.<br />
Again, if you don&#8217;t think that that is blatant anti-semitism, then you are just naive. And by the way, the Rabbi did NOT incite anti-semitsm. The anti-semites did.</p>
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		<title>By: Abi meleibt</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 04:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reb moishe-you got a point.But it would have been best to keep it to himself...be mekarev people in other ways-don&#039;t try to change the mainstream...putting up a menorah-and a fuss-will not bring people closer to g-d...i have yet to meet someone who told me he became jewish because he saw a big menorah next to this big tree in the airport...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reb moishe-you got a point.But it would have been best to keep it to himself&#8230;be mekarev people in other ways-don&#8217;t try to change the mainstream&#8230;putting up a menorah-and a fuss-will not bring people closer to g-d&#8230;i have yet to meet someone who told me he became jewish because he saw a big menorah next to this big tree in the airport&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reb Moshe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reb Moshe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Abi Milebet:
I already answered that question. There have been hundreds of conested menorahs in the past &amp; NONE of them turned into this.

By the way, the airport has apologised to the Jewish community already and all of the mainstream media is changing their stories, now blaming the airport.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abi Milebet:<br />
I already answered that question. There have been hundreds of conested menorahs in the past &amp; NONE of them turned into this.</p>
<p>By the way, the airport has apologised to the Jewish community already and all of the mainstream media is changing their stories, now blaming the airport.</p>
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		<title>By: danny</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I urge you all to follow this link and read this article which will give you some perspective and understanding of why chabad puts up menorahs and why they sometimes take the issue to court. 
You can criticize and disagree with chabad but please read the article; at least you will see the other side of the debate. 

http://www.chabad.org/magazine/article.asp?AID=455712]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I urge you all to follow this link and read this article which will give you some perspective and understanding of why chabad puts up menorahs and why they sometimes take the issue to court.<br />
You can criticize and disagree with chabad but please read the article; at least you will see the other side of the debate. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.chabad.org/magazine/article.asp?AID=455712" rel="nofollow">http://www.chabad.org/magazine/article.asp?AID=455712</a></p>
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		<title>By: Abi meleibt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abi meleibt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reb moishe-there is more of a chillul hashem involved than persumei nissa.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reb moishe-there is more of a chillul hashem involved than persumei nissa.</p>
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		<title>By: Sroy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reb Moshe, I agree that he had a legal right to do it, and you are probably right that the media blew it out of proportion. However  1) he did threaten to sue which is usually a strong-arm tactic 2)he ends up looking like the ACLU which always points to the law although a little common sense and sensitivity would go alot further. As far as Pirsumei Nissah, did Lubavitch in Russia have big menorahs all over the place? Are all other Gedolim and Jews big reshoim for not having menoras on their cars? Advertising has to be done right or it will backfire!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reb Moshe, I agree that he had a legal right to do it, and you are probably right that the media blew it out of proportion. However  1) he did threaten to sue which is usually a strong-arm tactic 2)he ends up looking like the ACLU which always points to the law although a little common sense and sensitivity would go alot further. As far as Pirsumei Nissah, did Lubavitch in Russia have big menorahs all over the place? Are all other Gedolim and Jews big reshoim for not having menoras on their cars? Advertising has to be done right or it will backfire!</p>
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		<title>By: tek</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[isser- &quot;Yeshivishe peabrains&quot;? Lets not preach about sinah...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isser- &#8220;Yeshivishe peabrains&#8221;? Lets not preach about sinah&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reb Moshe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reb Moshe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sroy:
As someone who has had involvement in similar legal action I can tell you the following.
We live in the US
Supreme court has the final word in the US
He is a US citizen who pays taxes to the US
As such he is entitled to every law in  the US
US law says the menorah goes up, where there is a tree, if requested
All he did was ask for his right as a US citizen to follow the law
Reason it turned into this fiasco, is because he did not think (and neither did any of us) that the airport would go to such great lengths by taking down the trees to make sure no menorah goes up. Well, they did (1 case for every 3,000 Chabad puts up) and for now he looked bad. Most mainstream media are already turning the story around against the airport now, and sooner or later the rest will as well, as more details come out.

And here is the underlying issue, most goyim are furious that Yoshke is being taken out of the holiday season. Ever notice how when we were kids everyone would say merry yatzmach &amp; now they all say happy holidays etc. Most goyim think that the Jews are behind this (since many fray yidden are afraid of xristianity and rightfully so, since their kids are intermarrying). Now, when this story broke, they all thought that this is the same Jewish group AJC, ADL, Federations etc who want to secularize the season and they were furious at the Jews. All the Rabbi had to do was get his point out, az ess geyt unz nisht un vegen dayn boim, all we want is a menorah up, as for your tree, leg ess un heng zach for all we care, and this is why the goyim have since calmed down.

PS as for the one who asked why we have a public menorah, ever here of persumey nissa?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sroy:<br />
As someone who has had involvement in similar legal action I can tell you the following.<br />
We live in the US<br />
Supreme court has the final word in the US<br />
He is a US citizen who pays taxes to the US<br />
As such he is entitled to every law in  the US<br />
US law says the menorah goes up, where there is a tree, if requested<br />
All he did was ask for his right as a US citizen to follow the law<br />
Reason it turned into this fiasco, is because he did not think (and neither did any of us) that the airport would go to such great lengths by taking down the trees to make sure no menorah goes up. Well, they did (1 case for every 3,000 Chabad puts up) and for now he looked bad. Most mainstream media are already turning the story around against the airport now, and sooner or later the rest will as well, as more details come out.</p>
<p>And here is the underlying issue, most goyim are furious that Yoshke is being taken out of the holiday season. Ever notice how when we were kids everyone would say merry yatzmach &amp; now they all say happy holidays etc. Most goyim think that the Jews are behind this (since many fray yidden are afraid of xristianity and rightfully so, since their kids are intermarrying). Now, when this story broke, they all thought that this is the same Jewish group AJC, ADL, Federations etc who want to secularize the season and they were furious at the Jews. All the Rabbi had to do was get his point out, az ess geyt unz nisht un vegen dayn boim, all we want is a menorah up, as for your tree, leg ess un heng zach for all we care, and this is why the goyim have since calmed down.</p>
<p>PS as for the one who asked why we have a public menorah, ever here of persumey nissa?</p>
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