Comments on: More public outcry against the Neturei Karta goons

By: EY

EY — Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:47:23 +0000

In fact, the legitimate Neturei Karta has its own Kollel, Yeshivah, Cheder, Alumni, Bikur Choilim, newspaper, and all other components of an established Kehilah. On the other hand, these handfull of individuals who attended the holocaust conference and maintain a website under the “Neturei Karta” name, present nothing else other then themselves.

By: EY

EY — Tue, 19 Dec 2006 21:54:37 +0000

The legitimate Neturei Karta is still around, and have thier Kehilah / base in Yerushliam (nothing with the Hirsch gang). If you are intrested in more information I can do my homework.

By: Itzik_s

Itzik_s — Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:27:04 +0000

I happen to agree with much of the ideology of the legitimate Neturei Karta (but I realize the medina is here and we have to live with it and protect the lives of Jews there as well as to protect Jews from the abuses the medina engenders). The Teheran Six and their fellow travelers (I estimate a total of 30 individuals including the Hirsch gang in EY) have as much right to call themselves Neturei Karta as a Reform convert ger lo-tzedek has a right to chas vesholom pass himself off as a Jew.

EY, do you know if the legitimate Neturei Karta is really still around, or have they kind of faded into Toldos Aharon etc even though the real NK were not originally Chassidish?

By: EY

EY — Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:58:27 +0000

I have nothing at stake with the “Neturei Karta”. I just feel that we should be careful when bashing the “Neturei Karta” for what these individuals do, when we don’t bash the “Agudat Israel” at the same time, (the “Neturei Karta” had some noted Gedolim (e.g. Reb Amrem Blau). After all, all of this originates from “Agudat Israel”. If you understand that “Agudat Israel” is not responsible for a fringe group which splintered off from them, then the “Neturei Karta” isn’t either.

By: Sarah

Sarah — Tue, 19 Dec 2006 19:45:57 +0000

EY, I’m one of those who “give a hoot”, and I appreciate being informed by those with the maturity to reason and discuss intelligently.

Kishke, I wonder at your language; if I would know for certain that you are a teen (as some of your other postings seem to indicate as well), I and possibly others would have more sympathy and understanding for your hot headed manner of dialogue.

By: kishke

kishke — Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:51:27 +0000

EY, no one gives a damn about the history of NK, and whether or not these jokers belong to the “legitimate” NK, and whether there even is such a thing as a legitimate NK. It’s all irrelevant. What is relevant is that these guys are endangering Jewish lives, and must be stopped.

You evidently are very worried about the “good name” of the “legitimate” NK being besmirched, but trust me, no one else gives a hoot.

By: EY

EY — Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:03:54 +0000

For the sake of completeness I should also add that this New York group to which I referred to, is also joined by a mere handful of individuals from other countries as well. However, their base is in New York. Al-in-al, i beleive that we are talking about a total of 20 individuals, at the most.

By: EY

EY — Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:17:08 +0000

While most understand that Neturei Karta has nothing to do with the more common Satmar group, very few understand that the group of people which embrace with Ahmadinejad have nothing to do with Neturei Karta either, although they go by that name. I believe that as for the first course of action; the literacy needs to be corrected. Here are some logistics:

“Neturei Karta” is a group which broke-away from “Agudat Israel of Israel” in 1935. “Neturei Karta” is a Jerusalem based organization with its headquarters in the holy city. The New York group of individuals who attended the holocaust conference and maintain a website under the “Neturei Karta” name, have organized in the 1980’s when they broke away from the main “Neturei Karta” organization. However, unlike the break-away of from “Agudat Israel” which named themselves as “Neturei Karta”, the New York group continues to use the “Neturei Karta” name, to the grief of the main “Neturei Karta”.

While the legitimate “Neturei Karta” has always been more to the extreme side, they have never agreed to such radical acts undertaken by the New York splinter group, the same way that “Agudat Israel” never agreed to the more extreme “Neturei Karta” actions. These respective disagreements were precisely the reasons for the respective break-away’s. We can only hold the “Neturei Karta” responsible for the actions of the New York group if we hold the “Agudat Israel” responsible for the actions of the “Neturei Karta”.

As far as Satmar is concerned, it is a known fact that Satmar who was founded –later- in the early 50’s was always at-odds with “Neturei Karta”. The most common public teaching against the “Neturei Karta” by the great Satmar Rebee Joel Teitelbaum, can be found in “Chidushei Tora” on Parshahs Naso from the year 5727 (Yiddish).

People, these are all factual data. Make your homework and confirm for yourself.

By: Itzik_s

Itzik_s — Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:59:48 +0000

Laugh at them and let them fade back into obscurity when their 15 minutes of fame is over. They are looking for attention, and the press is giving it to them. We should not give these clowns any more attention.

By: fmlogic123

fmlogic123 — Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:24:24 +0000

What I don’t understand is how there are groups who protest “tziyonim” to the point of demonstrating during Rav Shteinman Shlita’s trip to Monsey. Where are these same “Leshem Shamayim” protesters now… ?