Comments on: NY: Gathering against Iranian Hitler

By: amhaaretz

amhaaretz — Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:49:20 +0000

Mam seems to agree with FDR not to bomb the train tracks of auchwitz which the gedolim reguested, begged for. Reb Elchonon? also limited to initial responses, assuming they were capable. The yidden did take arms and killed their Soynim Purim. A long speech you give but Tshuva does not preclude Hishtadlus.
If your only concern was to give Musser to the non observant well I don’t believe is the right websight.

By: susshow

susshow — Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:52:31 +0000

Mam, you say good, but you are a little hard core, not open minded and very verbose, and lengthly. For the most part, I do admire your Shtarkkeit.

By: MDshweks

MDshweks — Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:40:37 +0000

You must read and remember what ‘Mam’ wrote. But, having the right additude in mind is not a controdiction to apealing to other nations to try and stop it, as Rabbi Weissmandle Z”l tried to do.
The problem is, however, that for many jews as long as there is something cooking against him down here, even on the smallest flame if any, they won’t evan dream of the real causes up there, where it realy counts…

By: mam

mam — Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:58:12 +0000

After reading the above article with many statements being made by secular Jews, that do not necessarily present the proper Torah outlook on the Iranian issue, I find it necessary to strengthen myself & perhaps cause others to stop & think. Without going into an entire discussion of the matter I’ll try to be brief by quoting just a few Torah sources. We repeat twice daily in the second Parsha of the Shema how are continued existence in Eretz Yisroel is dependent on keeping the mitzvos properly. (Go ahead & think about the meaning of the words we repeat so often that we may rarely focus on their meaning.) Secondly, in time of war with Esav, we find that Yaakov prepared himself with three things. They are (in order of importance) Tefillah-prayer, Doron-Presents, Milchomah-war. Jews throughout the ages following in the example of our forefather Yaakov knew that this was the only way to deal with our enemy Esav. As the story of Purim so clearly illustrates, when the Jews were faced with annihilation their first reaction was to turn to hashem in fast & prayer. Stories abound of how Jews throughout the ages, bribed their enemies to have them rescind an evil decree. Of course no one ever thought of taking up arms against those who want to harm us.(Regarding why on Chanukah Jews took up arms to save themselves as opposed to Purim, R’ Elchonon deals with this question. Basically he answers that on Purim when we were faced with physical annihilation we must react as stated earlier. However on Chanukah when we weren’t threatened physically only spiritually there we must even take up arms to defend the torah & mitzvos.) As of the last step “Milchomah-war, the pesukim, Rashi & the Ramban clearly indicate that this means fleeing from our enemies. To quote the verse, “V’hoyo hamachneh hanishar lifleitah”. None of these are my own innovations rather they are extensively discussed in the works of torah giants of the previous generation.
Of course all this talk about us not letting history repeat itself by using force is pure nonsense at best and apikorsus at worst. We have only one way of insuring our safety and that is by returning to hashem & keeping all of his torah & mitzvos & through that we will be Zocheh to the coming of Moshiach which will truly bring an end to all our tzaros from our enemies. May it be speedily in our days, Amen.

By: BOND

BOND — Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:40:06 +0000

IT IS APPALING THAT ANY HUMAN CAN AFTER PROOF TIME AND TIME AGAIN , DENY THE HOLOCAUST.
IF YOU WISH NOT TOO BELIEVE, AND KEEP IT TO YOURSELF SO THAT NOONE KNOWS YOUR TRUE BELIEF IS ONE THING, BUT TO PRONOUNCE YOUR NON BELIEF IS CRIMINAL AND YOU SHOULD BE PUT AWAY FOR ETERNITY, EITHER BY PRISON OR BY PUBLIC HANGING LIKE YOUR ANCESTOR, HAMAN !
AMEN