Comments on: Something’s not kosher at Dunkin’ Donuts

By: dave375

dave375 — Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:55:01 +0000

JH,
ok, good point about the doughnuts not being Pas. But I was just making a point of how people project their own shittos onto others. Rav Dovid and Rav Reuven are very accessible. All it takes is a phone call to discuss whether the heter was only for people who can’t get CY otherwise, instead of assuming things.

By: baki

baki — Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:33:24 +0000

yotze venichnas most definitely can be done on shabos. i know someone who went to check a bakery on his way home from shul on yom kipur. the real issue would be bishul akum of some products such as eggs but there are things to be done for that as well according to some poskim.

By: baki

baki — Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:48:37 +0000

gitmishigeh do you mean all ingredients including the bacon and sausage mentioned in the article? Are you including the non-kosher oil that they may be using? are you including the non-kosher utensils? are those all under the kof k too? kosher ingredients cooked with tarfus is just as treif even bidchak JH gut gezukt! yodati veshochachti. this was a matter of discussion at the ou and in the end it was agreed that donuts are not pas. The flip side to this is that if so it falls into the rules of bishul akum and depends upon whether or not it is oleh al shulchan mlachim and can be totally asur.

By: bisul_treif

bisul_treif — Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:33:54 +0000

i dont see any heter how a rav can give a hasgacha on d.d the store is open on shabbath and alot of the baking is done on shabbath and necnas and yotzeh cant be done on shabbath when ever money is involved the yidden always find koulus and hetering if u want to start a franchise u be very careful as the other person said treif is metamtain the lev and money is metamtain the brain

By: Itzik_s

Itzik_s — Wed, 21 Mar 2007 03:35:17 +0000

Unless you belong to my community or otherwise hold that you do not eat cholov stam even bishaas hadchak….but then again, when would you eat a donut bishaas hadchak – every gas station sells Wise potato chips, and many hold that potato chips do not have to be bishul yisroel because they’re not roui leshulchan melachim.

If chas vesholom a diabetic eats one because LA he would go into shock unless he gets quick sugar, that would be pikuach nefesh plain and simple.

And no, we still have another debate. Are donuts roui leshulchan melachim? (I don’t know – not only don’t I eat DD, but I wouldn’t feed a chemical laden Dunkin Donut to a stray cat because Peta would be on my case if I did ) If so many hold that they must be bishul Yisroel regardless of the fact that they are fried.

By: gitmeshigeh

gitmeshigeh — Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:59:38 +0000

Bottom Line is..Bishas Hadchak, you can eat in any Dunkin Donuts as all of their ingredients are Kosher….All under the Chof-K

By: JH

JH — Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:25:25 +0000

The doughnuts might not be considered Pas because the dough is deep fried and not baked. It would therefore be Potur from challah, meaning that it isn’t bread! ….do your homework

By: shazam

shazam — Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:02:07 +0000

Anonymouschochom says: SHAZAM: Your words are close to apikursos. D’Rabonons are at least as chamur as D’oraises. We find many times in Halacha where we are even more strict on D’rabonon’s.

Are you allowed to violate a d’Oraiso, bkum v’asey, as you are doing by being motzi shem ra, in order to defend a d’Rabbonon, which you are merely discussing but not doing bsha’as ma’aseh?

The issue of whether one is more chomur than the other is not relevant in this context.

Come see me on Erev Yom Kippur…

By: baki

baki — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 23:26:19 +0000

it is clearly stated in yd112:5 that he there is a difference in quality even the mechaber who is oser pas palter will be matir.

By: Itzik_s

Itzik_s — Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:59:02 +0000

Most of us who use only CY also use only pas Yisroel, so indeed the whole DD issue is moot for us. It’s just that the comments thread took the shape of a debate on CY and not pas Yisroel.

PS: A bakery awning in my neighborhood says “Pas Yoshon” instead of “Kemach Yoshon”! Are any communities really makpid on old (stale) bread? If so, avoid this bakery because their stuff is actually quite fresh .