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		<title>By: AROW</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AROW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If this discussion is closed, it would be a disgrace to TRUTH and would undoubtedly give the OU a lot of naches. And for the hundreds of messages that are not posted, I think that you (YW Editor) must have a good reason for not posting them.

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;.....and we must have a good reason for deleting the rest of your seven page megillah.&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;This thread is now closed.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;YW Moderation Panel.&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this discussion is closed, it would be a disgrace to TRUTH and would undoubtedly give the OU a lot of naches. And for the hundreds of messages that are not posted, I think that you (YW Editor) must have a good reason for not posting them.</p>
<p><strong><font color="red">&#8230;..and we must have a good reason for deleting the rest of your seven page megillah.</font></strong></p>
<p><strong>This thread is now closed.</strong></p>
<p><strong>YW Moderation Panel.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: LAReader</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LAReader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt;

SO WHY NOT JUST CLOSE IT??? YOU&#039;RE JUST TEMPTING PEOPLE. PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE SELF CONTROL TO STOP TALKING LASHON HARA! 

EITHER EAT AT LE MARAIS OR DO NOT---WHAT GOOD DOES IT DO TO TALK ABOUT IT!?]]></description>
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<p>SO WHY NOT JUST CLOSE IT??? YOU&#8217;RE JUST TEMPTING PEOPLE. PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE SELF CONTROL TO STOP TALKING LASHON HARA! </p>
<p>EITHER EAT AT LE MARAIS OR DO NOT&#8212;WHAT GOOD DOES IT DO TO TALK ABOUT IT!?</p>
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		<title>By: kishke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kishke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;O-U has a major lack of dis-respect for Rabbi Bitton.&quot;

You mean they do respect him or they don&#039;t?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;O-U has a major lack of dis-respect for Rabbi Bitton.&#8221;</p>
<p>You mean they do respect him or they don&#8217;t?</p>
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		<title>By: modern orthodox</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[modern orthodox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only 1/5 comments get approved?

I&#039;m very honored that my thoughts were posted.

May I wish all of Klall Yisroel a Chag Kosher V&#039;samayach.

My Pesach thought re: Kashruth- the best Hasgachah is your house. Always stay home for Pesach.... Never quite understood this whole &quot;Kosher for Pesach Hotel&quot; industry....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only 1/5 comments get approved?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very honored that my thoughts were posted.</p>
<p>May I wish all of Klall Yisroel a Chag Kosher V&#8217;samayach.</p>
<p>My Pesach thought re: Kashruth- the best Hasgachah is your house. Always stay home for Pesach&#8230;. Never quite understood this whole &#8220;Kosher for Pesach Hotel&#8221; industry&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Y.W. Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Y.W. Editor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;red&quot;&gt;Either the Lashon Hara stops NOW, or this thread will be closed.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

It&#039;s pretty pathetic that close to THREE HUNDRED comments were submitted, yet only 60 were approved!

Please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><font color="red">Either the Lashon Hara stops NOW, or this thread will be closed.</font></strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty pathetic that close to THREE HUNDRED comments were submitted, yet only 60 were approved!</p>
<p>Please.</p>
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		<title>By: rbca 99</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rbca 99]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello fellow Bloggers.

Please know that the O-U has a major lack of dis-respect for Rabbi Bitton.
In the way the handled the responses to the pulbic and how they painted him.
Unfortunately people are gravitating towards the O-U because they like to believe they can trust them.. if they can&#039;t ...then their whole trusting world comes to a crash... every frum jew wants to continue living in the cushy bumpered cacoon world they live in by believing the O-U has their best interests in mind.
The simple fact that they can belittle Rabbi Bitton who is the most trustful yid, and G-d fearing person (from those who know him - and for those who don&#039;t - you have no idea who this man is and how bad it is what they are doing to him)...they do this to someone who was JUST DOING his JOB is horrible.
So basically, you need 10 mashgiach&#039;s in a restaurant and the O-U will take a poll from all of them to figure out their thoughts when something &#039;goes wrong&#039;.
they are sick to the core.
the simple fact that they could not take his word for it is pathetic.

the other mashgiach - Rabbi Keller - if anyone knows him then you would understand his whole stance on this story. this guy won&#039;t even stomp a fly. he&#039;s petrified of the establishement. this guy would never stand up for himself ever not to be mean but these are FACTS about him.

the ou got to him but they obviously could not to Rabbi Bitton.
I don&#039;t know him extremely well - I did know very well of him and trust me when I say he&#039;s a good yid, y&#039;ras shamayim and everything that goes along with it.

all you naysayers are very wrong.
the thing everyone should take away from this is to be more prudent. don&#039;t be so trusting .

good luck to everyone in your kashrus and freilichen pesach.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello fellow Bloggers.</p>
<p>Please know that the O-U has a major lack of dis-respect for Rabbi Bitton.<br />
In the way the handled the responses to the pulbic and how they painted him.<br />
Unfortunately people are gravitating towards the O-U because they like to believe they can trust them.. if they can&#8217;t &#8230;then their whole trusting world comes to a crash&#8230; every frum jew wants to continue living in the cushy bumpered cacoon world they live in by believing the O-U has their best interests in mind.<br />
The simple fact that they can belittle Rabbi Bitton who is the most trustful yid, and G-d fearing person (from those who know him &#8211; and for those who don&#8217;t &#8211; you have no idea who this man is and how bad it is what they are doing to him)&#8230;they do this to someone who was JUST DOING his JOB is horrible.<br />
So basically, you need 10 mashgiach&#8217;s in a restaurant and the O-U will take a poll from all of them to figure out their thoughts when something &#8216;goes wrong&#8217;.<br />
they are sick to the core.<br />
the simple fact that they could not take his word for it is pathetic.</p>
<p>the other mashgiach &#8211; Rabbi Keller &#8211; if anyone knows him then you would understand his whole stance on this story. this guy won&#8217;t even stomp a fly. he&#8217;s petrified of the establishement. this guy would never stand up for himself ever not to be mean but these are FACTS about him.</p>
<p>the ou got to him but they obviously could not to Rabbi Bitton.<br />
I don&#8217;t know him extremely well &#8211; I did know very well of him and trust me when I say he&#8217;s a good yid, y&#8217;ras shamayim and everything that goes along with it.</p>
<p>all you naysayers are very wrong.<br />
the thing everyone should take away from this is to be more prudent. don&#8217;t be so trusting .</p>
<p>good luck to everyone in your kashrus and freilichen pesach.</p>
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		<title>By: art</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[art]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with LA Reader, but since comments are open, I&#039;ll add my quick 2 cents.. okay, its a nickel&#039;s worth:

As far as I know, I do not know the mashgiach at all nor do I have any relationship with the OU.

To those scandalized &quot;believing a goy instead of one of our own&quot; and by the &quot;demotion&quot; of the Mashgiach: I&#039;m not sure that every mashgiach is a &quot;Rabbi,&quot; nor does a person&#039;s employment as a maschgiach ensure that he would not resort to misinformation because of a personal vendetta

According to the OU, the mashgiach admitted that he invented the stories about being assaulted and the beetles being added to the  salad. If that is in fact the case, the mashgiach&#039;s charges are not even worthy of a second look.

To the fellow who views this as a Bnei Torah vs. YU thing -- and to those who are foolshily and wrongly joining what they perceive as a battle because they are &quot;l&#039;sheim shamayim&quot; against the Modern Orthodox.  Even if the Kasris division was run by the MO, it would we wrong. But it is run by Beni Torah who are neither Modern Orthodox nor YU talmidim, so both those MOs reading this an anti YU campaign and any follish others are all off base.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with LA Reader, but since comments are open, I&#8217;ll add my quick 2 cents.. okay, its a nickel&#8217;s worth:</p>
<p>As far as I know, I do not know the mashgiach at all nor do I have any relationship with the OU.</p>
<p>To those scandalized &#8220;believing a goy instead of one of our own&#8221; and by the &#8220;demotion&#8221; of the Mashgiach: I&#8217;m not sure that every mashgiach is a &#8220;Rabbi,&#8221; nor does a person&#8217;s employment as a maschgiach ensure that he would not resort to misinformation because of a personal vendetta</p>
<p>According to the OU, the mashgiach admitted that he invented the stories about being assaulted and the beetles being added to the  salad. If that is in fact the case, the mashgiach&#8217;s charges are not even worthy of a second look.</p>
<p>To the fellow who views this as a Bnei Torah vs. YU thing &#8212; and to those who are foolshily and wrongly joining what they perceive as a battle because they are &#8220;l&#8217;sheim shamayim&#8221; against the Modern Orthodox.  Even if the Kasris division was run by the MO, it would we wrong. But it is run by Beni Torah who are neither Modern Orthodox nor YU talmidim, so both those MOs reading this an anti YU campaign and any follish others are all off base.</p>
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		<title>By: sheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sheryl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To, b mazel, kishke, &amp; squeak,
Why don&#039;t we all go to Yussie&#039;s tonight for supper.
I&#039;m sure  b mazel would let us eat there free of charge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To, b mazel, kishke, &amp; squeak,<br />
Why don&#8217;t we all go to Yussie&#8217;s tonight for supper.<br />
I&#8217;m sure  b mazel would let us eat there free of charge.</p>
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		<title>By: LAReader</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LAReader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 15:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[YW EDITOR: Why are you letting this post continue!? It is just LH and everyone telling their opinions etc when surely Le Marais is losing business. You should close the comments and just post an update directly from the OU of if the restaraunt is kosher or not. I don&#039;t think the specifs etc matter--just say whether we should eat their or not (and I dont even eat there cause I live in LA!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YW EDITOR: Why are you letting this post continue!? It is just LH and everyone telling their opinions etc when surely Le Marais is losing business. You should close the comments and just post an update directly from the OU of if the restaraunt is kosher or not. I don&#8217;t think the specifs etc matter&#8211;just say whether we should eat their or not (and I dont even eat there cause I live in LA!)</p>
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		<title>By: ny100k</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ny100k]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 15:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So according to the &#039;verified&#039; story, the check ran out of an ingredient, and ran out the supermarket, and brought back dairy stuff.

This story is scary for a number of reasons.  
1) Why did the chef, who has a huge staff, himself run out to the supermarket?  Could he not have sent a bus boy??
2) He ran out, and came back with 1 tub.  Being as busy a place as it is, 1 tub will last how long??
3) So it was caught before it made it into the kitchen.  Was it caught by luck or because of a process in place.

While I won&#039;t deny that its possible the mashgiach has an issue with the chef, the fact the the OU confirms the basis of the story, leaves a doubt in my mind.  Modeh bemiktzas, modeh bakol.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So according to the &#8216;verified&#8217; story, the check ran out of an ingredient, and ran out the supermarket, and brought back dairy stuff.</p>
<p>This story is scary for a number of reasons.<br />
1) Why did the chef, who has a huge staff, himself run out to the supermarket?  Could he not have sent a bus boy??<br />
2) He ran out, and came back with 1 tub.  Being as busy a place as it is, 1 tub will last how long??<br />
3) So it was caught before it made it into the kitchen.  Was it caught by luck or because of a process in place.</p>
<p>While I won&#8217;t deny that its possible the mashgiach has an issue with the chef, the fact the the OU confirms the basis of the story, leaves a doubt in my mind.  Modeh bemiktzas, modeh bakol.</p>
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