Comments on: VIDEO: Rav Lior & Group Of Charedim Ascend Har HaBayis; Gedolim Repeat Psak Of ‘Issur Kores’

By: HolyMoe

HolyMoe — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 19:46:26 +0000

To MDshweks

Chazal never ever say that the Kosel is the Shaar Hashamayim. Yaakov Avinu declared that BaisEl is the Shaar Hashamayim and Rashi says that the place was the Har Hamoriya – not the Kosel.

If properly prepared by toiveling and not wearing shoes one is allowed to walk on the Har Habayis. The place of the Azara is forbidden to Tamei Masim which we are today but it is a small part of the har Habayis.
The only reason yidden davenned all the years by the kosel is because the Arabs forbade us to go daven on the Har Habayis itself.
Now that BH those evil yishmaelim can be controlled. Why shouldn’t we daven in a place that definitely has a much greater kedusha than the kosel.

By: MDshweks

MDshweks — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:27:01 +0000

There’s a lot of gaps in the logic behind this endever.

If the place they went to is not the real Har Habayis, what then is the point in davening there? isn’t davening by the Kosek much better, where Chazal say is the Shaar Hashomayim?

And if a big part of the mountain is B’issur Koreis, and those are the places that really matter to us, why is it so important that we show control and ownership on the rest of the mountain?

By: Hacham

Hacham — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:49:35 +0000

Every rabbi is not a godol.

By: simcha613

simcha613 — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:59:37 +0000

“Typical Zionist provocateurs.”

That’s uncalled for. R’ Dov Lior shlita and R’ Yitzchak BRand shlita are gedolim in their own right. It’s a machlokes haposkim. I’m sure if you would ask R’ Ovadiah shlita he would say your comment is uncalled for.

By: Homeless

Homeless — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:20:20 +0000

When our leaders can not agree, what are we supposed to do? Or is this what was foretold would indeed happen towards the end?

By: simon

simon — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:05:44 +0000

Hacham you might or might not be, but a Baal Lashon [or keyboard] Hara you certainly are…[Or is it Motzi Shem Ra?]

Ain Ohd – Taking your logic further, if one permits a Jew to Shecht a bhema so he can have Kosher meat, other Jews might follow them & not do it properly, thereby causing them to be over an Issur D’Oraysa! As our Sages would say:
אם כן, אין לדבר סוף

By: QuestionForYou

QuestionForYou — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:29:46 +0000

If Rabbi Yosef, Shlita, added his signature to the 1967 document that says it’s forbidden to ascend Har HaBayis, and if he still says so today,

why was it needed to lie about him on Erev 9 Av, that he permits ascending Har HaBayis?

By: AinOhdMilvado

AinOhdMilvado — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:13:59 +0000

Although I can certainly understand the desire to go up on Har HaBayit, there is an additional problem that has not been addressed…
Even assuming that the areas visited are not any safek of being prohibited, AND even assuming that those that go up DO prepare properly (i.e. no leather shoes, go to the mikveh, etc.) there is yet another issue. By making it more common for Jews to go there, OTHER Jews will follow, other Jews who may NOT be knowledgeable or careful about where you can and can NOT go, and who are not knowledgeable or careful about the proper preparations before going. Thus, even IF the Jews mentioned here are not doing anything wrong, they may be the cause of others being chayav kares.

By: Hacham

Hacham — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:13:09 +0000

Typical Zionist provocateurs.