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@Bayit Beitar:
No, unfortunately, we cannot “forget about Zionism” Of course, Zionism is not, as you claim, “a political movement that is irrelevant nowadays” but rather an idolatry and heresy that is by very far the greatest rebellion against G-d on the planet, which has shmaded and continues to shmad R”L generations of Jews, especially those inside its putative “State”. Zionism is nothing less than a (very anti-Torah) complete redefinition of Judaism and Jew, with lots of money (from its “State” and elsewhere) to propagandize the same to hapless Jews.


@ZSK
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So, in addition to having no answer, you also added the heresy of “mai ahanu lei rabbanan”? And it’s not only “Rabbanim who died nearly 100 years ago”; it’s Rav Shach and others who lived much more recently, as well as LBC”L those alive today like Rav Moshe Sternbuch and others. Your labeling of me as a “sonei Yisrael” is, of course, false; true to Zionist form, it is the wicked Zionists and their supporters who would fit that rubric as they try to shut down our yeshivos and shuls in the Zionist paradise to force the Jews there to be shmaded in the Zionist army and impoverish our brethren there and forbid them from working for years as long as they refuse to be shmaded in the Zionist army. That’s true Sinas Yisrael, though a “Religious Zionist” might not recognize the Torah’s definition of sinas Yisrael due to their idol of Zionism and instead, like you, apply that to those who wish good upon Jews instead of to the wicked Zionists who are the greatest sonei Yisrael by far.

@AAQ:
The “gedolim” at the time were essentially Moshe Rabbeinu and Aharon haKohen, though his instructions were straight from Hashem rather than derived from Torah knowledge. Moshe Rabbeinu gave the meraglim specific instructions, which most of them did not follow. If memory serves, the Zera Shimshon points out the halacha that if 2 people mutually agree on criteria for an item then those criteria become binding. Moshe Rabbeinu agreed with them on specific conditions about the land because he knew that the land would pass those conditions with flying colors. But the meraglim complained about other things on which they had not agreed, which went against their agreement. So, yes, while chareidim try to listen to gedolei Yisrael, the meraglim did indeed do the opposite.


@anonymous
Jew
The enormous propaganda of Zionism, especially post-War, unfortunately fooled many. That is totally irrelevant to the undisputed truth of Rav Wasserman’s writings. Regarding Torah study protecting and comparing that to tragedies that happened in our history, you can ask your LOR for more on that. One general answer is that Torah study indeed protects, but a time of din (strict judgement) has a very different calculus than in normal times. During that type of period, it takes very special merits to be saved. (Regarding the Holocaust specifically, the answer also includes the evils of the Zionists. The wicked Zionists interfered with Hashem’s plan to save Jews by, for example, lobbying governments against allowing in Jews to their countries, which closed off escape routes that Hashem had setup to be open for Jews.)