SPOILER ALERT: Torah leaned ‘l’shma’ doesn’t protect reshoyim like apikorsim, tinukei shenishbu, or other mechalile shabbos b’farhesya. It certainly doesn’t strengthen or protect the political zionist state and their rejection of Divine gezeiras hagulis.
So, to correct so much your zionist heresy that your bad chinuch (or bad choices) has brought you, let me take it piece by piece:
@simcha613 you said:
the obvious problems that the Charedim want exemptions for everyone and not just those learning
this is not a problem. this is a feature of being Jewish: we want to rescue ALL Jews from slavery to zionists. is this not obvious?
@simcha613 you said:
or that learning doesn’t seem to replace hishtadlus in other areas like parnassah, shalom bayis, voting, and protesting.
you are confusing “histadlis” and other things. “shalom bayis” is not histadlis, it’s a mitzvah on its own. protesting is not hishtadlis, its an outgrowth of the obligation to be publicly mocheh. for parnsasa and health, we Jews have as part of the Torah clear guidence that we are at times obligated to participate in those things in the natural way as an expression of our eminah and bituchon. If the Torah hadn’t told us explicitly, for example, to go to a doctor, it would have been absolutly fobidden as a abhorent breach in our designation as a holy nation.
None of this has to do with the seperate obligation to learn Torah.
@simcha613 you said:
Let’s take it as a given that learning Torah adds to our protection and is a component of our military defense.
This is zionist nonsense. Hashem protects the nation of Klal Yisroel from destruction in gulis(not the nation called Lebanon or Britain or Midinat-Yisrael). All mitzvos, especially learning Torah, give merit to Jewish individuals, families, and groups that participate in those mitzvos. This merit is primarily reward in the next world, but may have secondary positive effects in this physical world, sometimes leading to good to Jewish host cities and countries. All of this is the Jewish principle of Schar-v-Onesh, something that Zionism rejects and replaces with heretical “military hishtadlooot(sic)”
@simcha613 you said:
Personally, I believe this. It’s part of our Mesorah.
Yes your “mesora” straight form Herzl to the Pope to @simcha613. In contrast to your very strange and evil religion, I will continue to answer here as per -l’havdil- classic Torah teachings.
@simcha613 you said:
The big problem is that it’s a very vague statements and WE DO NOT KNOW HOW IT WORKS. And this vague concept is being used as a reason for not drafting more Charedim, increasing the defense burden on others. I’ve seen posters post here that Charedim need to do a better job explaining that this is why Charedim don’t draft. But what’s to explain? There is no in depth analyses of how it works or what we need like there is in every other area of halacha!
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this is onlly confusing to you because you are confusing politics – which is by nature dishonest and manipulative – with Torah which is well documented and clear in 99.9% of situations. All the propoganda you are spouting started in and is only sourced in zionist political sources – like mk’s and the like. You will not find any Torah sources that explain how to undrstand zionism and zionist militarism within Torah because zionism is a different religion.