oomis1105 said; “However, the Muslim response to that is to put women in a chador or burquah, and only allow her eyes to show. So maybe the problem is with the man, and not the woman. Maybe men need to learn more self-control. I love the smell of a BLT, but I am not going to eat it.”
What does that have to do with the price of camels in Iran?
We are practicing jews, not arabs!!!
1)The torah wants jewish women to be clean well dressed, look nice & representable, the exact opposite of muslims.
A Bas Melech does not wear rags!!!
The Torah expects women to look nice & dress well according to the halachos of TZNIUS!!
A Bas Melech should dress with honor & class befitting the Royalty of HBH!!!
and as for comment of men learning self control, when a woman dresses immodest causing men temptation, she is Oiver L’ifnei Iver Lo Titen Michshol!!!
That is exactly what we are talking about! We aren’t talking about a woman that dresses tzniusdig and a man stares at her.
(just an example)(i’m not comparing man to a bull)
Go in front of a bull waving a big RED cloth, and tell
the bull “Don’t Charge!” “Control Yourself!…..
That’s Stupid!!! ……Don’t provoke it!!!
How about someone goes in front a woman thats on a diet, dangling a delicious piece of chocolate or some other one
of her favorite foods that she is not allowed to have, & says “don’t think about this delicious chocolate bar.”
“Control yourself!” Is that fair? Imagine its to you oomis1105? Would that be fair?
oomis1105 said; “a woman’s sense of fashion and desire to (be) well-dressed, which has NOTHING whatsoever to do with lack of self-esteem, and everything in the world to do with wanting to look pretty.”
So you’re saying that pretty means wearing shortskirts…. exposing what should be covered?
Oh! i’m sorry! I though pretty was just being good looking.
So your saying someone who isn’t pretty, when they wear revealing clothes they have a transformation?
Being well dresses & being under dressed are two different things.
I’m surprised you can’t tell the difference!
And as for bnos Yisroel who have a need to dress strikingly immodest & “prust” They usually suffer from a lack of self esteem,(maybe denial issues too)
and I quote you oomis1105 “If you ask most women, they are dressing to impress other women, not men”
YOU SAID IT!!! THATS ALSO A LACK OF SELF ESTEEM!!!!!!