Reply To: room for personal expression in yeshiva

PBA, I pulled it from the fact that I learnt in mainstream yeshivos for 5 years and from the fact that it has a derogatory nickname. Also you have not addressed my other 2 points which are:

1) there are no reputable black hat, english speaking yeshivos that have a focus on anything besides gemara b’iyun, which are not looked down upon

2)kollel guys learn other limudim as opposed to gemara/iyun. Bochurim do want to learn other limudim but cannot because of the stigma, social pressures and shidduchim prospects. Its clear that they always would have wanted to but had to wait to they got married, because why the change all of a sudden?