Avram
“How does the way the doctor characterizes the unborn baby change anything? “
Um becasue this entire conversation is about the doctor’s intentions
I have encountered people with the exact story as you just a few steps earlier namely regarding Dor Yesharim, intervening with Hashem’s will, preventing life from coming to the world. I assume you dont agree with them, and I dont. And of course to you the two cases are different, but to them our view on Dor Yeshorim is more similar to the Doctor;s than you would like.
That is just a side point though. The main distinction is as Sam2 said
2scents
“You mentioned that you are not referring to the bigger or general picture, yet you brought up the argument of diversions. “
I mentioned the opposite repeatedly, this conversation is about the “medical establishment”
CA
“so where is it coming from (for that .1%? )”
From “a dark and evil place to satisfy their lust”
Seriously though some conflicts even among decent people cant be resolved even with open honest respectful communication. Plus not all medical proffessionals are decent
“secular ethics is increasingly diverging from Jewish values. “
This is a gross oversimplification, in some ways but not others
“…even when faced with a doctor’s facepalm at our choices.”
In those cases explain your choice.