Avram:
Regarding the first quote. I was quoting those much greater than I http://www.hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=31&daf=58&format=pdf
Regarding the second quote the “view” I’m reffering to is that a fetus isnt a life. which I believe is not an unreasonable view (even if wrong), nor can it be since it is not neccesarily against halacha.
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